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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    There are some states and countries that should be opening now given how much they have brought down the growth rate of infections. For other places, they are taking a big risk. Exponential growth is a devastating thing when it comes to this virus.
    My friend, you are not grasping my point.

    If you reopen, people are not going to immediately drastically alter their behavior. It’s going to gradually change as people feel more safe.

    It made sense in March and April when we were still assessing the dangers of the disease and ramping up hospital capacity. We now have excess capacity now, so I don’t see any difference between opening next week vs July.

    I think you can make a more credible argument keeping lockdown enforced until a vaccine is available (note to the Berenson crowd - that’s not my suggestion).

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    Interview with Neil Ferguson of Imperial College

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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Its basically flat.
    Still rising is not basically flat. They've steadily increased cases each week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carp View Post
    Still rising is not basically flat. They've steadily increased cases each week.
    Please post your numbers.

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    Looking at the Johns Hopkins tracker, daily cases seem to be continuing to trend up (with the typical lower recorded counts during the weekends and Mondays), so I was also scratching my head at you saying they've flatten things thethe.

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    US death count now 64,789. What's that, about 60,000 in a month?

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    “The whole point of this social distancing is to buy us time to build up capacity to do the types of public health interventions we know work,” Natalie Dean, a biostatistics professor at the University of Florida, previously told me. “If we’re not using this time to scale up testing to the level that we need it to be … we don’t have an exit strategy. And then when we lift things, we’re no better equipped than we were before.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by BedellBrave View Post
    Looking at the Johns Hopkins tracker, daily cases seem to be continuing to trend up (with the typical lower recorded counts during the weekends and Mondays), so I was also scratching my head at you saying they've flatten things thethe.
    I suggest you not read the whole thread or you might scratch right through to your brain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BedellBrave View Post
    Looking at the Johns Hopkins tracker, daily cases seem to be continuing to trend up (with the typical lower recorded counts during the weekends and Mondays), so I was also scratching my head at you saying they've flatten things thethe.
    The death can lag anywhere from 3-6 weeks from infection so the deaths that happen now are not indicative of the current situation against the curve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BedellBrave View Post
    US death count now 64,789. What's that, about 60,000 in a month?
    Yes, almost a 2000 per day average for a whole month.

    Trump's latest projection is 74K, unless he's changed it again. I think he pulled that number out of his arse because it sounded less bad to him. Unless a vaccine or really good treatment appears it looks like we'll blow by 74K in the first week of May and then be staring at 100K by the end of May.

    Yesterday over 35,000 new cases.

    A 71 yr old buddy of mine with copd, was rushed to the hospital last night with breathing difficulties. The initial diagnosis is that it is not covid, but regular copd symptoms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    Stay away from the light we are told
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post

    As far as I know, testing is next to non-existent for the regular population. We all know infection is much wider than reported but without lots of testing, you don't know.

    I'd love to get tested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    The death can lag anywhere from 3-6 weeks from infection so the deaths that happen now are not indicative of the current situation against the curve.

    The numbers I'm referring to are the new cases. Not the deaths. The curve isn't flat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Runnin View Post
    Yes, almost a 2000 per day average for a whole month.

    Trump's latest projection is 74K, unless he's changed it again. I think he pulled that number out of his arse because it sounded less bad to him. Unless a vaccine or really good treatment appears it looks like we'll blow by 74K in the first week of May and then be staring at 100K by the end of May.

    Yesterday over 35,000 new cases.

    A 71 yr old buddy of mine with copd, was rushed to the hospital last night with breathing difficulties. The initial diagnosis is that it is not covid, but regular copd symptoms.

    I'm sorry to hear about your buddy. One our sweet ladies is in a nursing home battling Covid-19. We have a nursing home director in the congregation as well. They are going in hazmat suits into the nursing homes to get the dead. I have a minister friend in Florida who is recovering and it ain't easy. So, maybe I'm particularly sensitive to this subject.

    I also know two of the NYC hospitals in the eye of the storm having spent time in them with my daughter after an accident on a college visit last year (she got ran over). So it's personal in that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BedellBrave View Post
    I'm sorry to hear about your buddy. One our sweet ladies is in a nursing home battling Covid-19. We have a nursing home director in the congregation as well. They are going in hazmat suits into the nursing homes to get the dead. I have a minister friend in Florida who is recovering and it ain't easy. So, maybe I'm particularly sensitive to this subject.

    I also know two of the NYC hospitals in the eye of the storm having spent time in them with my daughter after an accident on a college visit last year (she got ran over). So it's personal in that way.
    Thanks. I'm hoping that he over-reacted and didn't need to go to the emergency room. He's recently divorced and retired, living alone in a foreign country, and self-quarantined. Must be stressful. Still waiting to hear.

    Wishing for nothing but the best to you and your friends dealing with this. Your services, no pun intended, are no doubt on high demand and much needed these days.

    The numbers debate becomes academic once you and yours are in the soup, so to speak. My brother's wife is the head nurse in a long-term care facility back in MS and doing okay so far. One of my private students is the head doctor of the covid unit here. I can't believe neither me nor anyone around me has come down with it yet. Maybe we've all got the antibodies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BedellBrave View Post
    The numbers I'm referring to are the new cases. Not the deaths. The curve isn't flat.
    new cases are an aggregation of smaller areas. The key is not to prevent infection. My contention has always been to make the right people get infected.

    The infection death rate that we saw in New York is a function of terrible policies.

    We won't see that elsewhere so number of infections isn't a problem in my opinion. Its the only true way forward.
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