The Coronavirus, not the beer

[nsacpi]

You have an unhealthy desire for the government to track and monitor the **** out of its citizens

no I think frequent testing is the way to avoid having to choose between hundreds of thousands of deaths and economic catastrophe...the alternative is hoping for the best...i'm glad to see Notre Dame and major league baseball recognize this within their spheres of operation

[sturg33]

The alternative is siding with freedom and making informed decisions

[nsacpi]

The alternative is siding with freedom and making informed decisions

aka keeping our fingers crossed

[sturg33]

aka keeping our fingers crossed

If that's how you wanna describe it, sure.

But even that's better than living your life scared, sacrificing your liberty and privacy for something that isn't dangerous to 99.99% of the population

[Runnin]

White House economic adviser Kevin Hassett created a baffling 'cubic model' showing coronavirus deaths would hit 0 by May 15. It turns out he used a basic Excel function for his controversial projection.

"Just make it up out of thin air and we'll sell it," they seem to think.

[nsacpi]

99.99%

9% of Americans have diabetes

40% of Americans are obese

16% of Americans are 65 or older

30% of Americans have hypertension

9% of adults have been diagnosed with cancer

[nsacpi]

White House economic adviser Kevin Hassett created a baffling 'cubic model' showing coronavirus deaths would hit 0 by May 15. It turns out he used a basic Excel function for his controversial projection.

"Just make it up out of thin air and we'll sell it," they seem to think.

magical realism

[The Chosen One]

9% of Americans have diabetes

40% of Americans are obese

16% of Americans are 65 or older

30% of Americans have hypertension

9% of adults have been diagnosed with cancer

When we keep these at risk people locked in the house and force them to stay home so healthy young adults can run wild like hulkamania outside, then they start committing suicide and committing domestic violence, we will get to hear thethe say we didn't do a good enough job protecting them from themselves.

[sturg33]

When we keep these at risk people locked in the house and force them to stay home so healthy young adults can run wild like hulkamania outside, then they start committing suicide and committing domestic violence, we will get to hear thethe say we didn't do a good enough job protecting them from themselves.

Life is risk.

If you're scared stay inside.

Let the rest of us live

[nsacpi]

When we keep these at risk people locked in the house and force them to stay home so healthy young adults can run wild like hulkamania outside, then they start committing suicide and committing domestic violence, we will get to hear thethe say we didn't do a good enough job protecting them from themselves.

Funny that you mention that. My in-laws (in their late 80s) are about ready to kill each other.

[thethe]

You don't test and trace with a low IFR virus that's highly contagious.

Cost/benefit is just awful.

[nsacpi]

You don't test and trace with a low IFR virus that's highly contagious.

Cost/benefit is just awful.

cost/benefit is actually overwhelming...it gets us out of choosing hundreds of thousands of deaths (which has a lot of value even discounting for life expectancy of the vulnerable population) or economic catastrophe

[thethe]

cost/benefit is actually overwhelming...it gets us out of choosing hundreds of thousands of deaths (which has a lot of value even discounting for life expectancy of the vulnerable population) or economic catastrophy

I'm not sure where you are getting these numbers as a definite. There is a lot of reason to speculate we could avoid that with much simpler techniques that don't require a massive government spend as well as civil rights erosion.

[sturg33]

I'm not sure where you are getting these numbers as a definite. There is a lot of reason to speculate we could avoid that with much simpler techniques that don't require a massive government spend as well as civil rights erosion.

Dont you worry. Every crisis calls for a massive government solution

[nsacpi]

on the economic side its $500 billion of lost GDP per month

on the value of life side if you value each life lost to the pandemic at $5 million (which is half of the standard value of statistical life calculation) and multiply that by say 200,000 lives saved, that's a very big number ($1 trillion)

so if you can avoid making that choice at a cost of say $200 billion, you jump on it

[nsacpi]

Dont you worry. Every crisis calls for a massive government solution

unfortunately this one does

[goldfly]

9% of Americans have diabetes

40% of Americans are obese

16% of Americans are 65 or older

30% of Americans have hypertension

9% of adults have been diagnosed with cancer

Yep

Math checks out
That’s .01 of the population

[thethe]

on the economic side its $500 billion of lost GDP per month

on the value of life side if you value each life lost to the pandemic at $5 million (which is half of the standard value of statistical life calculation) and multiply that by say 200,000 lives saved, that's a very big number ($1 trillion)

so if you can avoid making that choice at a cost of say $200 billion, you jump on it

Your assessment of lives saved is using actuals that include both mistakes in strategy and reporting.

There is a much simpler solution.

[The Chosen One]

Your assessment of lives saved is using actuals that include both mistakes in strategy and reporting.

There is a much simpler solution.

Yes yes we know.

Let the strong survive and the weak die.

[thethe]

Yes yes we know.

Let the strong survive and the weak die.

lazy argument but ok fearless leader