The Coronavirus, not the beer

[thethe]

Okay, then you are an idiot.

Says the guy who has been wrong repeatedly in this thread. Reality is stronger than a model. Maybe they dont teach that in law school.

[Metaphysicist]

Via WSJ:

Tobacco companies are the latest entrant in the race to find a vaccine for the novel coronavirus.

Lucky Strike owner British American Tobacco PLC is developing a potential vaccine grown in tobacco plants, while Medicago Inc., a biotech firm partly owned by Marlboro maker Philip Morris International Inc., is pursuing a similar effort.

Tobacco is well-researched, cheap to grow and can yield large amounts of vaccine quickly. Tobacco-based vaccines also don’t need refrigeration, simplifying the supply chain. Scientists say these factors could reduce production time to weeks instead of months and make vaccines as much as 40% cheaper to produce than using animal cells.

You either die a villain or live long enough to see yourself become a hero.

[nsacpi]

30-34 weeks? Yowza

Yeah. You get the worst of both worlds in that scenario. Ineffective social distancing, which doesn't slow down the epidemic much and carries very large economic costs. That's a nightmare scenario that I think could happen here.

I think lost in the discussion around here is the need for effective social distancing. I put up a quote from Dr. Birx yesterday in which she said she could look at the data and tell not enough people in this country are taking this seriously. It's gonna cost us if we don't take it seriously.

We need to do this better. I've gotten mad at myself a couple times after reflecting on some of the choices I've made the past two weeks that unnecessarily put myself and other people at risk.

[Metaphysicist]

"Reality" is New York has been in lockdown for weeks and the death tolls keep going up, though the intervention is hopefully slowing that pace. The idea that we should have done nothing and just let the deaths go up even faster is facially stupid to the point of being evil.

[thethe]

"Reality" is New York has been in lockdown for weeks and the death tolls keep going up, though the intervention is hopefully slowing that pace. The idea that we should have done nothing and just let the deaths go up even faster is facially stupid to the point of being evil.

I said go to for now. I have never said the lockdown wasnt essential.

You're moving then goalposts so much now.

Just admit you were wrong.

[Metaphysicist]

Ah, I see. You think the few weeks of lockdown have defeated the virus in a battle of the wits and now if we just went back to normal the virus would not just start spreading again.

Great, that makes a ton of sense. You are truly a leading light of this generation.

[thethe]

Ah, I see. You think the few weeks of lockdown have defeated the virus in a battle of the wits and now if we just went back to normal the virus would not just start spreading again.

Great, that makes a ton of sense. You are truly a leading light of this generation.

You still dont understand the current situation. A 4 week lockdown is all we needed.

Tbe virus on it's own wasnt the issue. It was our knowledge of it. Now we have the capacity, treatment and approach to avoid it in the public conscious.

4 weeks later and a significant amount of the active infection has died. What about this don you fail to comprehend?

[Metaphysicist]

Would love for you to be right thethe. For the time being though, please stop posting "great signs" when someone posts increasing death rates.

[thethe]

Would love for you to be right thethe. For the time being though, please stop posting "great signs" when someone posts increasing death rates.

That's a fair argument.

Be safe.

[thethe]

Should have been happening for weeks. Everyone got this wrong.

[nsacpi]

one thing that some countries are looking at (and I imagine we will be too) is to identify who has antibodies that indicates immunity to COVID-19 and loosen restrictions on those people...they would be allowed to work, go to restaurants, watch the Braves play in person, etc, etc...the rest of us would be stuck in our present situation waiting for a vaccine or until a high enough level of herd immunity is achieved

[cajunrevenge]

Should have been happening for weeks. Everyone got this wrong.

Who got what wrong? Guess who could have ordered it weeks ago.

[zitothebrave]

Everything reopened. Define at risk population and recommend they stay in. Government subsidy for those in the at risk population plus those that have to take care of those people.

Everyone else? Back to work fully.

Wear masks or scarves when in large public places. Purchase Planequil. Tske it if you show symptoms.

This isnt hard.

Who's at risk? People who have had no previous medical conditions have died.

You're either heartless or an idiot. Neither of which is a good look.

[thethe]

Who's at risk? People who have had no previous medical conditions have died.

You're either heartless or an idiot. Neither of which is a good look.

You dont understand the results.

Overwhelming deaths are people with diabetes/respitory ailments. We know how to identify them and we know how to protect them.

You are just being an emotional basket case by not looking at this through an objective eye. Sorry you cant do it.

Maybe you just dont understand the Math.

[acesfull86]

Yeah. You get the worst of both worlds in that scenario. Ineffective social distancing, which doesn't slow down the epidemic much and carries very large economic costs. That's a nightmare scenario that I think could happen here.

I think lost in the discussion around here is the need for effective social distancing. I put up a quote from Dr. Birx yesterday in which she said she could look at the data and tell not enough people in this country are taking this seriously. It's gonna cost us if we don't take it seriously.

We need to do this better. I've gotten mad at myself a couple times after reflecting on some of the choices I've made the past two weeks that unnecessarily put myself and other people at risk.

Forgetting the economic impact, I’m not sure the mental health of this country can survive 8 months of a lockdown

[Metaphysicist]

"Underlying illnesses" as listed on the NYC data summary, and the percentage of the country that has been diagnosed with them, as best I can figure:

Diabetes: 10%
Lung Disease: 4%, outside of asthma
Asthma: 7%
Cancer: 5% (cancer survivors)
Immunodeficiency: 4%? dunno, lots of things can cause this
Heart Disease: 12%
Hypertension: 31% (diagnosed)
Kidney Disease: 14%
GI/Liver Disease: vague category, maybe as high as 20% if you are including all GI disorders, maybe much lower with strict classification.

CDC also lists:
Severe obesity (BMI > 40): 9%
Smoking: 14%
Being over 65: 15%

Obviously a person can have more than one of these so you can't just add them up, but an incredibly large portion of the country has at least one.

[Oklahomahawk]

Should have been happening for weeks. Everyone got this wrong.

I agree with this. So, why wasn't it being done since at worst the 2nd week after we knew this **** was already in the US?

[nsacpi]

"Underlying illnesses" as listed on the NYC data summary, and the percentage of the country that has been diagnosed with them, as best I can figure:

Diabetes: 10%
Lung Disease: 4%, outside of asthma
Asthma: 7%
Cancer: 5% (cancer survivors)
Immunodeficiency: 4%? dunno, lots of things can cause this
Heart Disease: 12%
Hypertension: 31% (diagnosed)
Kidney Disease: 14%
GI/Liver Disease: vague category, maybe as high as 20% if you are including all GI disorders, maybe much lower with strict classification.

CDC also lists:
Severe obesity (BMI > 40): 9%
Smoking: 14%
Being over 65: 15%

Obviously a person can have more than one of these so you can't just add them up, but an incredibly large portion of the country has at least one.

Yeah, the high blood pressure was flagged by the doctors in Wuhan early on...it is a risk factor even for people who have controlled it with medication...a worrisome thing for many of us

[The Chosen One]

Forgetting the economic impact, I’m not sure the mental health of this country can survive 8 months of a lockdown

Agreed. All the more important why Trump should have been taking this serious and getting the gang of 8 together earlier. But he and McConnell have been using impeachment as an excuse.

[thethe]

I agree with this. So, why wasn't it being done since at worst the 2nd week after we knew this **** was already in the US?

Our government sucks. It always has.