The Coronavirus, not the beer

[thethe]

I'm not so sensitive that wearing a strip of cloth across my face hurts me. Must be terrible to be so weak.

Sucks for those children that didn't develop speech on the customary time table because of it.

Mere externalities so poor striker can feel more comfortable in public despite hating the world.

[striker42]

That's not true.

Some European nations recommended one mRNA vaccine over the other because one has a higher chance of a complication.

Keep in mind these complications are about as rare than death from COVID or the same complications from contracting COVID. But no one cares about that bit of information.

The rate of myocardits from the vaccine is actually significantly lower than the death rate for Covid for people in their 30's.

The rate for myocarditis for Moderna is about 1 in 24,000. There have been a little less than 15,000 covid deaths of people in their 30's. I'll drop that to 10,000 just to eliminate the risk of overcounting. For the risk of death to equal the risk of myocarditis, you'd need there to have been 240,000,000 covid infections in the US among people in their 30's. There are about 45 million Americans in their 30s.

So if 10,000 Americans in their 30's died of Covid, for the risk of death of Covid to equal the risk of myocarditis from Moderna, you'd need every American in their 30's to have had about 5 covid infections.

So you're actually far more likely to die of Covid if you're in your 30's than you are to develop myocardits.

Oh, and the vast majority of mycarditis cases caused by the vaccine are mild.

[thethe]

The rate of myocardits from the vaccine is actually significantly lower than the death rate for Covid for people in their 30's.

The rate for myocarditis for Moderna is about 1 in 24,000. There have been a little less than 15,000 covid deaths of people in their 30's. I'll drop that to 10,000 just to eliminate the risk of overcounting. For the risk of death to equal the risk of myocarditis, you'd need there to have been 240,000,000 covid infections in the US among people in their 30's. There are about 45 million Americans in their 30s.

So if 10,000 Americans in their 30's died of Covid, for the risk of death of Covid to equal the risk of myocarditis from Moderna, you'd need every American in their 30's to have had about 5 covid infections.

So you're actually far more likely to die of Covid if you're in your 30's than you are to develop myocardits.

Oh, and the vast majority of mycarditis cases caused by the vaccine are mild.

Based on whose data?

Ahh the old 'mild' myocarditis argument. You really do just recite the Big Pharma narrative well.

[striker42]

Sucks for those children that didn't develop speech on the customary time table because of it.

Mere externalities so poor striker can feel more comfortable in public despite hating the world.

If you can't teach your kid to talk because the kid has to wear a mask when they go to the store, you're a pretty terrible parent.

[striker42]

Based on whose data?

https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...dy-2021-12-17/

Danish study. The rest is just statistics easily available online.

[thethe]

If you can't teach your kid to talk because the kid has to wear a mask when they go to the store, you're a pretty terrible parent.

Yes we went over this. Those privledged are never impacted at things like this.

You've made your position quite clear on society and how you don't care about anyone other than yourself.

[striker42]

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm

Interestingly, myocarditis hits about 150 covid patients per 100,000 (compared to 9/100,000 in the general population). And this is among unvaccinated individuals. They eliminated anyone with a vaccine from the study so as to eliminate any bias from vaccine related myocarditis.

So the risk of myocarditis from getting covid > risk of myocarditis from getting the vaccine.

[thethe]

https://www.reuters.com/business/hea...dy-2021-12-17/

Danish study. The rest is just statistics easily available online.

So they stopped after 28 days from each dose? That doesn't seem appropriate to me and the vax is specially more harmful to young boys so its wierd that this study found the opposite for the Pfizer vax. Makes me a bit skeptical.

[striker42]

Yes we went over this. Those privledged are never impacted at things like this.

You've made your position quite clear on society and how you don't care about anyone other than yourself.

I don't even think it's privileged people. If your kid sits in front of a TV for a couple hours a day (a norm in many non-privileged households) then that kid is being exposed to tons of people speaking without masks on.

[thethe]

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7035e5.htm

Interestingly, myocarditis hits about 150 covid patients per 100,000 (compared to 9/100,000 in the general population). And this is among unvaccinated individuals. They eliminated anyone with a vaccine from the study so as to eliminate any bias from vaccine related myocarditis.

So the risk of myocarditis from getting covid > risk of myocarditis from getting the vaccine.

Hey - When has the CDC released incorrect or misleading information lately?

But you're using the blended rate for all age groups:

In this study, the association between COVID-19 and myocarditis was lowest for persons aged 25–39 years and higher among younger (<16 years) and older (≥50 years) age groups, a pattern that has not been previously described in age-stratified analyses and that warrants further investigation. This finding might be partially explained by age-related differences in COVID-19 case ascertainment, because younger adults with less severe disease might be less likely than older adults to have a health care encounter with a COVID-19 diagnosis captured within PHD-SR. This age-related differential misclassification (underascertainment) of COVID-19 status might bias risk differences and risk ratios toward the null more for younger adults and could partially explain the observed age-related association.

[thethe]

I don't even think it's privileged people. If your kid sits in front of a TV for a couple hours a day (a norm in many non-privileged households) then that kid is being exposed to tons of people speaking without masks on.

It is most certainly a privledge issue.

To pretend the TV is a substitute for human interaction and the up-close nature of that relationship between a baby and its environment is a stretch AT BEST.

[thethe]

But lets also remember Strikers position that they know exactly what these experimental gene therapy treatments would do in the human body.

WE were told it would prevent spread. We were told you wouldn't get sick and that you wouldn't die.

How does that look now as we move on to a 4th shot?

[striker42]

So they stopped after 28 days from each dose? That doesn't seem appropriate to me and the vax is specially more harmful to young boys so its wierd that this study found the opposite for the Pfizer vax. Makes me a bit skeptical.

The young male stuff was based on an Israeli study.

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2110737

It found incidences of myocarditis after the vaccine to be 2.3 cases per 100,000. There were 54 cases identified of the more than 2.5 million doses given.

So other studies put the incident rate in the same (or even lesser) neighborhood.

The myocarditis risk is minimal. European nations recommended young men take the Pfizer vaccine instead of the Moderna vaccine because, as you note, they are likely at higher risk of the complication and Pfizer is an equally available vaccine that has lower risk of this side effect.

[sturg33]

it is a religion so there is no point where they stop

[sturg33]

RADICAL idea... sounds like a bunch of pro-covid traitors to me!

[thethe]

RADICAL idea... sounds like a bunch of pro-covid traitors to me!

Its been a psy-op from the beginning to get good people like STriker to be obedient.

COVID is not a risk to the overwhelming majority of people.

[striker42]

But lets also remember Strikers position that they know exactly what these experimental gene therapy treatments would do in the human body.

WE were told it would prevent spread. We were told you wouldn't get sick and that you wouldn't die.

How does that look now as we move on to a 4th shot?

No one was ever told it would prevent spread, that they wouldn't get sick, or that they wouldn't die. No one with an ounce of science education would ever speak in such absolutes. We were told it would limit spread, greatly reduce the risk of infection, and greatly reduce the risk of death. And the vaccines did all of those against Alpha, the strain they were designed to combat.

They also provided very good protection against Delta and are are still providing protection against Omicron, especially severe disease.

As for the number of shots, the one thing we were never guaranteed was the duration of immunity. How long your body will be immune to something is very difficult for scientists to predict. We still don't know how long immunity lasts from prior infections.

[thethe]

No one was ever told it would prevent spread, that they wouldn't get sick, or that they wouldn't die. No one with an ounce of science education would ever speak in such absolutes. We were told it would limit spread, greatly reduce the risk of infection, and greatly reduce the risk of death. And the vaccines did all of those against Alpha, the strain they were designed to combat.

They also provided very good protection against Delta and are are still providing protection against Omicron, especially severe disease.

As for the number of shots, the one thing we were never guaranteed was the duration of immunity. How long your body will be immune to something is very difficult for scientists to predict. We still don't know how long immunity lasts from prior infections.

Seriously? People like Fauchi never said those things on national television repeatedly?

[striker42]

it is a religion so there is no point where they stop

I actually see the end of the pandemic at this point. Omicron is a huge step in the right direction. As our immune systems become more accustomed to this virus and as it loses fitness with mutations (as viruses tend to do, there's actually pressure on them to cause less severe disease) it will become a far less severe endemic disease. Likely a seasonal flu though possibly just a bad cold. As people stop seeing friends and family getting put in the hospital and dying from covid, the fear will recede.

Even if there are people crying wolf out there, it can only be cried for so long before experience teaches people not to fear it. There wont be any clear line where the pandemic ended. No victory accomplished. Just a gradual fading into normal life.

[thewupk]

No one was ever told it would prevent spread, that they wouldn't get sick, or that they wouldn't die. No one with an ounce of science education would ever speak in such absolutes. We were told it would limit spread, greatly reduce the risk of infection, and greatly reduce the risk of death. And the vaccines did all of those against Alpha, the strain they were designed to combat.

They also provided very good protection against Delta and are are still providing protection against Omicron, especially severe disease.

As for the number of shots, the one thing we were never guaranteed was the duration of immunity. How long your body will be immune to something is very difficult for scientists to predict. We still don't know how long immunity lasts from prior infections.

Biden was out there last month telling people that if you are vaccinated you won't spread it to other people