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    Quote Originally Posted by goldfly View Post
    Science does change.
    and sturg never does

    god bless his little heart
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    Remember when all those healthy people allowed big pharma to inject experimental treatments into them and ended up becoming supercharged superspreaders?

    Yup
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    Saying “Science changes” with a shrug is a pretty weak defense of the goalpost moving, the flip flopping, the poor messaging, and the illogical rules.

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    Science doesn't change. Our understanding of it changes based on what hypothesis we are checking.

    There were many scientists and regular people who got many things right about this casedemic from the very beginning.
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    This is how you get 'studies' that show HCQ doesn't work. When you ask clearly wrong questions you get clearly wrong conclusions.

    The question we need to begin asking is how motivated is organized science by the advancement of the human race or by donors/political agenda.

    We have unfortunately learned the answer to that question the past year.
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    “Governor DeSantis believes that parents know what’s best for their children; therefore, parents in Florida are empowered to make their own choices with regards to masking. Experts have raised legitimate concerns that the risks of masking outweigh the potential benefits for children, because masking children can negatively impact their learning, speech, emotional and social development, and physical health (e.g., infections from bacteria that’s often found on masks, difficulty breathing while exercising in masks, etc.) Fortunately, the data indicate that COVID is not a serious risk to healthy children, which is why schools in most countries were among the first institutions to reopen. At the end of the day, the Governor trusts parents to weigh the risks and benefits and make the best choices for their kids.”


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    Quote Originally Posted by acesfull86 View Post
    “Governor DeSantis believes that parents know what’s best for their children; therefore, parents in Florida are empowered to make their own choices with regards to masking. Experts have raised legitimate concerns that the risks of masking outweigh the potential benefits for children, because masking children can negatively impact their learning, speech, emotional and social development, and physical health (e.g., infections from bacteria that’s often found on masks, difficulty breathing while exercising in masks, etc.) Fortunately, the data indicate that COVID is not a serious risk to healthy children, which is why schools in most countries were among the first institutions to reopen. At the end of the day, the Governor trusts parents to weigh the risks and benefits and make the best choices for their kids.”


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    People have a hard time internalizing externalities. A contagious disease is exhibit A for externalities. That's why over the years school districts have required vaccines for example. Also why we have laws requiring that children be educated.
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    What would you say about a treatment that turns healthy people into superspreaders?
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    Quote Originally Posted by nsacpi View Post
    People have a hard time internalizing externalities. A contagious disease is exhibit A for externalities. That's why over the years school districts have required vaccines for example. Also why we have laws requiring that children be educated.
    The scope of each party to mitigate those externalities has to be part of the calculation too. There are widely available, low cost, highly effective vaccines to protect those most at risk.

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    In the last 18 months, the CDC has changed its mind on masks at least four times (more if you count children).

    The useful idiots see no issue there lol

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    It made sense to wear masks when vaccines weren't available and the public had no other ability to protect itself … But we are in a very different situation now with some swaths of the country hitting high rates of vaccination, and others with dismally low rates. The disparity in vaccination rates means that a positive case in a state like New York is far different than a positive case in a state like Louisiana. The CDC's own hospitalization data bears this out: Louisiana is seeing a spike in hospitalizations while New York is not. And yet, the CDC's latest guidance treats parts of New York exactly the same way it treats Louisiana. It doesn't make much sense…

    Policies like this should be challenged and tested. Gov't officials should face reasonable questions about the guidance they are issuing. An easy one: Why isn't the CDC basing its recommendations on hospitalization rates versus case counts? Another: How did the CDC determine that 50 new cases per 100,000 amounts to 'substantial' transmission?


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    Quote Originally Posted by acesfull86 View Post
    Saying “Science changes” with a shrug is a pretty weak defense of the goalpost moving, the flip flopping, the poor messaging, and the illogical rules.
    i didn't really shrug when doing it

    just stating science goes wherever and obviously can change

    the rest of your things isn't about science though imo
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    Do you think the CDC is "following science"?

    Is that your read on the situation?

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    Trust the experts. Follow the science!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by sturg33 View Post
    Trust the experts. Follow the science!!

    Ooof - Remember this guy was built up by Meta all the time.

    Hysterical how wrong the 'smart' guys were this whole time.
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    Last edited by thethe; 07-28-2021 at 01:52 PM.
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    https://babylonbee.com/news/liberal-...egal-immigrant

    This reminds me of a lot of people here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thethe View Post
    India got their act together in a few states and it caught on quickly. They must know something we don't
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tapate50 View Post
    India got their act together in a few states and it caught on quickly. They must know something we don't
    They aren't a bunch of scared babies of a bad flu and don't let big pharma run how they take care of their citizens.

    Facts are facts.

    -Total infection/death numbers are based on a test that the CDC says is garbage.
    -Natural immunity is orders of magnitude better than this experimental treatment.
    -There are an assortment of available thearuptics that reduce the risk to an incredibly small amount
    -Its just a bad flu
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    Heck of a way to achieve "natural immunity."



    https://asianage.com/india/all-india...ys-report.html

    NEW DELHI: India’s excess deaths during the pandemic could be a staggering 10 times the official COVID-19 toll, likely making it modern India’s worst human tragedy, according to the most comprehensive research yet on the ravages of the virus in the country.

    Most experts believe India’s official toll of more than 414,000 dead is a vast undercount, but the government has dismissed those concerns as exaggerated and misleading.



    The report released Tuesday estimated excess deaths — the gap between those recorded and those that would have been expected — to be between 3 million to 4.7 million between January 2020 and June 2021. It said an accurate figure may “prove elusive” but the true death toll “is likely to be an order of magnitude greater than the official count.”

    The report, published by Arvind Subramanian, the Indian government’s former chief economic adviser, and two other researchers at the Center for Global Development and Harvard University, said the count could have missed deaths occurring in overwhelmed hospitals or while health care was delayed or disrupted, especially during the devastating peak surge earlier this year.



    “True deaths are likely to be in the several millions not hundreds of thousands, making this arguably India’s worst human tragedy since Partition and independence,” the report said.
    "I am a victim, I will tell you. I am a victim."

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