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    Here are the 3 contracts Chipper signed: https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/atlanta-.../transactions/

    I think I remember Chipper signing a deal that covered the last year of an existing contract, but I can't remember exactly. His deals were roughly:

    2000: 6/90M through age 29-34 seasons
    2005: 3/37M covered age 35-37 seasons
    2009: 3/42M with many games played incentives, covered age 38-40 seasons

    Freeman is controlled through his age 31 season. Going down the Chipper path means he takes a deal that covers through his age 34 season, and then goes from there on a series of short deals with incentives. If he wants to do that, I'm on board. If he wants the Goldy extension, no thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Here are the 3 contracts Chipper signed: https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/atlanta-.../transactions/

    I think I remember Chipper signing a deal that covered the last year of an existing contract, but I can't remember exactly. His deals were roughly:

    2000: 6/90M through age 29-34 seasons
    2005: 3/37M covered age 35-37 seasons
    2009: 3/42M with many games played incentives, covered age 38-40 seasons

    Freeman is controlled through his age 31 season. Going down the Chipper path means he takes a deal that covers through his age 34 season, and then goes from there on a series of short deals with incentives. If he wants to do that, I'm on board. If he wants the Goldy extension, no thanks.
    My concern is that a straight 3 year deal that gets him to his age 34 season wouldn't be considered "long enough" by his reps at Excel. B. B. Abbott had a pretty close (and trusting) relationship with Schuerholz and Cox, enough to expect them to be "fair" with Chipper - I'm not real sure that type of trust between an agent and team management exists anymore. It's realistic to expect that Freddie's reps at Excel get backed into a corner where they have to recommend that he doesn't simply bend over backwards to stay in Atlanta since they will be dealing with corporate ownership. I realize Abbott was in the same spot with Chipper, but I'm just not sure the folks at Excel have the same kind of "I can trust JS and Bobby since it's Chipper" warm and fuzzies that make them feel "I can trust AA since it's Freddie". Remember, Bobby was the reason JS drafted Chipper over Van Poppel - AA wasn't part of the Braves' organization until Freeman was already a well-paid All-Star.

    That's the reason I mentioned 3 years with two team options starting with 2021 (gets him through age 34) - on it's face that's a 5 year deal as long as he's healthy and productive. After the first 3 seasons, they could tear everything up and see about adding a third year if both sides feel he'll be useful over that period or the team can go year to year with him for his age 35 & 36 seasons. At that point you simply tell him you can only go year to year unless the money is completely contingent on those games played incentives since the team only got 95, 126, and 112 games from Chipper during his last deal.
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    Well thatís the point about Freeman wanting to remain a Brave like Chipper did. He probably deserves the Goldy deal, but Chipper also deserved a lot more than he got.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Well that’s the point about Freeman wanting to remain a Brave like Chipper did. He probably deserves the Goldy deal, but Chipper also deserved a lot more than he got.
    Right, that's the thing about Freeman, he doesn't seem interested in just signing with the highest bidder. His own happiness seems most important. So he will make the decision of the options presented that makes him and his family happiest. So if the Braves present him with a fair offer that he's happy with then I'm sure he will take it. He's one of the most humble guys in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpx7 View Post
    The Braves should've jumped in and signed him when he was still fifteen, to secure the edge.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enscheff View Post
    Well that’s the point about Freeman wanting to remain a Brave like Chipper did. He probably deserves the Goldy deal, but Chipper also deserved a lot more than he got.
    Sure - but you make things out to sound like Chipper accepted some vastly under-market deal, and that wasn't the case. He didn't take 20% less than market value at the time, which is arguably what paying Freddie $20 million per would be. Chipper was still the highest-paid Brave during that 2005 season. The only 3B who made more money in 2005 was A-Rod, and Chipper was the 10th highest-paid player in the league that year...

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    Quote Originally Posted by clvclv View Post
    Sure - but you make things out to sound like Chipper accepted some vastly under-market deal, and that wasn't the case. He didn't take 20% less than market value at the time, which is arguably what paying Freddie $20 million per would be. Chipper was still the highest-paid Brave during that 2005 season. The only 3B who made more money in 2005 was A-Rod, and Chipper was the 10th highest-paid player in the league that year...

    http://www.thebaseballcube.com/topic...ear.asp?Y=2005

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    Chipper accepting those short deals was a vast underpay. He could have gotten much longer deals as a FA.

    I wasnít aware of anyone suggesting Freeman take $20M over 3 years. Thatís obviously not happening.

    A short Freeman extension is something like 3/70-75 with another $25M option with a $5M buy out. That is right around Goldy money for fewer years.

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    I love Freddie, but they have to be smart with his deal. He can ask and get whatever he wants, but that extra he makes...might be the difference in him having more money or a WS ring. I donít feel like he will give the Braves a hometown discount, but AA might negotiate with ďDo you want rings or the most money you can possibly makeĒ?

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    Anyone concerned this Freeman extension hasn't been completed yet? We have about one month until spring training and that's probably the cut off.

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