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[sturg33]

The same reason the government doing a white national anthem would upset you.

Its a constant attempt to divide people into groups and create division.

[goldfly]

No, it wouldn’t be the same reason cause the white national anthem was sung before that one

Why do you think the poem/song was written in 1900?

Was it cause black people were such a part of this country and welcomed that they were like “let’s divide these people” or is it cause of some other reason?

You really go out of your way to get offended. It’s weird that you claim others do that lol

By the way, the lyrics to this “song of division”

Lift ev’ry voice and sing,
‘Til earth and heaven ring,
Ring with the harmonies of Liberty;
Let our rejoicing rise
High as the list’ning skies,
Let it resound loud as the rolling sea.
Sing a song full of the faith that the dark past has taught us,
Sing a song full of the hope that the present has brought us;
Facing the rising sun of our new day begun,
Let us march on ’til victory is won.

Stony the road we trod,
Bitter the chastening rod,
Felt in the days when hope unborn had died;
Yet with a steady beat,
Have not our weary feet
Come to the place for which our fathers sighed?
We have come over a way that with tears has been watered,
We have come, treading our path through the blood of the slaughtered,
Out from the gloomy past,
‘Til now we stand at last
Where the white gleam of our bright star is cast.

God of our weary years,
God of our silent tears,
Thou who has brought us thus far on the way;
Thou who has by Thy might
Led us into the light,
Keep us forever in the path, we pray.
Lest our feet stray from the places, our God, where we met Thee,
Lest, our hearts drunk with the wine of the world, we forget Thee;
Shadowed beneath Thy hand,
May we forever stand,
True to our God,
True to our native land.

[sturg33]

So they are racist then for not singing a hispanic national anthem and every other minority group?

[nsacpi]

I think there is a misunderstanding of what the purpose of the "Black National Anthem" or a black national holiday like Juneteenth mean. It is about their struggle. But not their struggle for independence or for being apart (of course from which the word apartheid springs). Rather it commemorates their struggle to be fully a part of our country. I'm an immigrant. And for me one of the most amazing things about this country is the fact that black people did not give up on it. They have believed in it in spite of all of the injuries inflicted upon them. And their songs and holidays don't signify a desire to be apart at all. Those songs celebrate their struggle to be fully a part of this country. Listen to the words.

[sturg33]

Then I think that display was very uninclusive by only highlighting one minority struggle.

But just curious are we one nation if we have multiple national anthems based on nothing but race?

[goldfly]

So they are racist then for not singing a hispanic national anthem and every other minority group?

hey, if you want to know why some think youre a hack (or imo a fraud) and why you don't debate genuinely about topics

it's cause of examples like this reply you gave me that i quoted when we were talking about something else

[sturg33]

hey, if you want to know why some think youre a hack (or imo a fraud) and why you don't debate genuinely about topics

it's cause of examples like this reply you gave me that i quoted when we were talking about something else

I'm not quite following why Michigan felt the need to have the actual American national anthem, and then what is described as "the black national anthem"

Using logic, you're trying to segregate the two. If its meant to represent their struggle as nsacpi suggests, why stop at just these two songs?

(I am aware you struggle with logic but figured I'd ask anyway)

[nsacpi]

I'm not quite following why Michigan felt the need to have the actual American national anthem, and then what is described as "the black national anthem"

Using logic, you're trying to segregate the two. If its meant to represent their struggle as nsacpi suggests, why stop at just these two songs?

(I am aware you struggle with logic but figured I'd ask anyway)

That song commemorates black people's struggle in this country. Singing it doesn't diminish or denigrate the struggles and contributions of others. I don't think it is divisive at all. It's like thinking saying black lives matter means white lives or asian lives or hispanic lives matter less. That is such a profound misreading of what is being said.

[sturg33]

That song commemorates black people's struggle in this country. Singing it doesn't diminish or denigrate the struggles and contributions of others. I don't think it is divisive at all. It's like thinking saying black lives matter means white lives or asian lives or hispanic lives matter less. That is such a profound misreading of what is being said.

Hopefully President Unity is able to get us to a place where we don't feel the need to have multiple anthems based solely on race

[goldfly]

To get there

We should maybe be honest about our past and realize why there there was a need or want of 2 anthems etc etc etc

[nsacpi]

I am of old and young, of the foolish as much as the wise,
Regardless of others, ever regardful of others,
Maternal as well as paternal, a child as well as a man,
Stuff’d with the stuff that is coarse and stuff’d with the stuff that is fine,
One of the Nation of many nations, the smallest the same and the largest the same,
A Southerner soon as a Northerner, a planter nonchalant and hospitable down by the Oconee I live,
A Yankee bound my own way ready for trade, my joints the limberest joints on earth and the sternest joints on earth,
A Kentuckian walking the vale of the Elkhorn in my deer-skin leggings, a Louisianian or Georgian,
A boatman over lakes or bays or along coasts, a Hoosier, Badger, Buckeye;
At home on Kanadian snow-shoes or up in the bush, or with fishermen off Newfoundland,
At home in the fleet of ice-boats, sailing with the rest and tacking,
At home on the hills of Vermont or in the woods of Maine, or the Texan ranch,
Comrade of Californians, comrade of free North-Westerners, (loving their big proportions,)
Comrade of raftsmen and coalmen, comrade of all who shake hands and welcome to drink and meat,
A learner with the simplest, a teacher of the thoughtfullest,
A novice beginning yet experient of myriads of seasons,
Of every hue and caste am I, of every rank and religion,
A farmer, mechanic, artist, gentleman, sailor, quaker,
Prisoner, fancy-man, rowdy, lawyer, physician, priest.

I resist any thing better than my own diversity,
Breathe the air but leave plenty after me,
And am not stuck up, and am in my place.

(The moth and the fish-eggs are in their place,
The bright suns I see and the dark suns I cannot see are in their place,
The palpable is in its place and the impalpable is in its place.)

[sturg33]

Seems to frequently be them.

But she will have no career problems. Her bigotry was aimed in the right direction

PS her apology was probably 10x worse

[nsacpi]

nothing wrong with very poorly chosen one and Bernie Madoff becoming bff...many a late life romance has blossomed behind bars

[sturg33]

nothing wrong with very poorly chosen one and Bernie Madoff becoming bff...many a late life romance has blossomed behind bars

Yes I know you've been predicting his jail sentence for years.

Like everything else you've assured us, you will be wrong again.

[goldfly]

[sturg33]

Well that's his right.

That reminds me, did all those celebrities who promised to move when he won end up moving back?

[goldfly]

Lol

[Jaw]

That song commemorates black people's struggle in this country. Singing it doesn't diminish or denigrate the struggles and contributions of others. I don't think it is divisive at all. It's like thinking saying black lives matter means white lives or asian lives or hispanic lives matter less. That is such a profound misreading of what is being said.

Tripe. I've been in pigpens that were full of less crap.

That song represents the continued need to divide with identity politics. It benefits race hustlers in the civil rights industry, the grievance industry, and the government industry. It helps intellectually dishonest professors with worthless degrees justify getting paid to instruct the naive in their pursuit of intellectually dishonest, worthless degrees. It benefits the movement to codify racial discrimination in favor of the right kinds of minorities. It benefits disingenuous political commentators who bravely want to play on the side of popular culture, celebrities, media, and the other ignorant elitists who are more concerned with appearances than reality.

What it doesn't benefit is any kind of progress. But then, it isn't supposed to.

[nsacpi]

[nsacpi]

Tripe. I've been in pigpens that were full of less crap.

That song represents the continued need to divide with identity politics. It benefits race hustlers in the civil rights industry, the grievance industry, and the government industry. It helps intellectually dishonest professors with worthless degrees justify getting paid to instruct the naive in their pursuit of intellectually dishonest, worthless degrees. It benefits the movement to codify racial discrimination in favor of the right kinds of minorities. It benefits disingenuous political commentators who bravely want to play on the side of popular culture, celebrities, media, and the other ignorant elitists who are more concerned with appearances than reality.

What it doesn't benefit is any kind of progress. But then, it isn't supposed to.

it seems to me that some analogous prose could be spilt on the agendas and good will (or lack thereof) of people who share this on twitter and post about it on the THLIM thread...i will leave it at that

although a few questions do spring to mind:

1) is your objection (note that i talk of you not some vague group like pointy headed professors or Breitbart who after all are not here to explain themselves) the words of the song

2) or the name of the song (which happens to be Lift Every Voice and Sing)

3) or the song being referred to as the Black National Anthem

4) or its being sung at that particular occasion

5) or people being requested to remain standing while it is sung

6) or some combination of the above