Really not much else i can say.
Typed my fingers raw last year at this time and now just sitting here shaking my head in disbelief
Really not much else i can say.
Typed my fingers raw last year at this time and now just sitting here shaking my head in disbelief
Sad… Yet another gun free zone allows murders to have free reign on innocent victims.
...Originally Posted by sturg33
"For all his tattooings he was on the whole a clean, comely looking cannibal."
Why are you shaking your head in disbelief 57?
i am shocked it happened
we have done soo much to try to change this from happening in the past year
i can't believe it happened again
57Brave (12-14-2013)
Shocked? Odd. Do you think that we'll be able to ban disgruntled and deranged students? Think we will get rid of all weapons? Have cops monitoring every door? Metal detectors at every entryway of every school across this huge country? Do you really think in a narcissistic and violent culture such as ours that we will be able to prevent such acts with some new piece of legislation, some political rhetoric, some magic wand?
You guys think you can affect complete outward change by merely outward means?
Last edited by BedellBrave; 12-14-2013 at 01:42 PM.
no Bedell, just don't think those people you describe should have such easy access to weapons.
That of all the things = can be done and will affect change/
How bout look at it like this! We've tried doing nothing and it obviously hasn't worked = how bout we try something else?
To much to ask?
Would you vote to leave firearm regulation as it is?
What kind of weapon? Where did he get it? Why do only US kids want to shoot their teachers and class mates?
Well, why don't you try something else also? Rather than going after guns maybe you should start a rally to put a couple of cops in every school in America. I would think that would go a long way to solve the problem. The cost would probably be similar to new gun control costs. If the issue really bothers you then I would think you'd try every avenue to solve it rather than just one that continuously fails. It goes both ways you know.
thank you weso1!
He used a shotgun, Biden's weapon of choice. How in the world are you going to outlaw shotguns - particularly in the West? I mean I guess you could. But do you actually think that is going to stop every and all cases like this??
And you are wrong 57, we haven't tried doing nothing. We've done plenty of things. I'm sure the school was a gun free zone. There are gun regulations in place. The cops reacted differently this time (in comparison to Columbine). And I don't doubt that the schools have changed their policies in trying to seek greater protection.
Last edited by BedellBrave; 12-14-2013 at 03:43 PM.
we should do nothing obviously
it seems to be working out just fine
Non sequitor, but nice try.
oh we tried those things and they didn't work
i guess we should stop trying then
i am open to keep evolving to the situation and keep trying new things
instead of just saying "how can we stop this?"
If by "didn't work" you mean didn't stop every murder using a gun, then yes, they "didn't work." Course that's a naive standard.
Whatcha want to try gold?
Banning shotguns?
Violent video games?
Violent movies?
Violent song lyrics?
Psychotropic drugs?
Works real good in the drug war doesn't it? And during Prohibition. Making stuff illegal and all.
Visit the homes of all disgruntle students and remove the guns and knives?
Put multiple cops in every school (you ought to like that since you think as highly as you do of cops)?
Metal detectors in every entryway in every school?
Bullet proof walls, doors, and windows in all new construction?
How about giving all the kiddos "A"s and nice trophies?
What do you want to try?
Last edited by BedellBrave; 12-14-2013 at 04:06 PM.
A couple of cops in every school would probably have a significant impact. Why not do something like this that could actually solve the problem and get done.
thank you weso1!
i am not exactly sure what i want to try
i know the status quo isn't good enough
and people saying "well we tried this or that and it didn't work" just isn't good enough for me.
off topic: when in this country did we start giving up on difficult things? when we canceled the Apollo missions?
Weso, I'm actually not against that idea.
I want to know what you want to try. I actually don't think some of those ideas are nutty (at least in their totality). But what I don't think is possible is that we will eliminate every incident like this. Again, I think that's naive to think that we can. gold, we live in a fallen, sinful world.
I also think that it will take "heart" work - work done through loving neighbors, family members, ministers, counselors, etc. Government can have a role, but it can't do and shouldn't do everything.
I am intrigued though by how many liberals approach this issue. They seldom seem to care for any talk about the regulation of the entertainment culture that is a part of this mix. Rather they fixate on guns.
I also am intrigued by libertarian leaning guys like yourself, pushing for more governmental involvement in issues. I know you aren't a strict libertarian. It's still fascinating though.
Last edited by BedellBrave; 12-14-2013 at 04:16 PM.
Here are some of my suggestions:
1. Must be 21 to purchase firearms or have a parental co-sign.
2. Okay with background checks (unlike some) - and with flagging those who are prescribed psychotropic drugs.
3. Seek to employ security guard(s) for schools (see 7 and 9 below).
4. Adopt lockdown policies like this school did.
5. Prayer
6. Churches, counseling centers, youth programs active in the lives of more and more young people.
7. More stringent regulations of the video, music and movie industry. If you produce violent, vulgar, products you pay a sin tax that's then funneled into programs used for the protection of students and with the victims of violent, predatory, or sexual abuse crimes.
8. Growing societal disgust for gratuitous violence and sexual abuse highlighted in the entertainment industry - disgust across the political spectrum that would be expressed publicly.
9. Maybe a progressive sales tax rate on weapons. The more dangerous/lethal the weapon, the higher the tax rate.
Last edited by BedellBrave; 12-14-2013 at 04:42 PM.
Prayer is the only thing that has a real chance of working, sadly.
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