i don't want to commit to starting Joc for that many games. he's just not that good.
but yes, you're right, lots of what ifs. that's the point - we don't know what's happened behind the scenes. we do know the Braves had fallback offers out to JTR and Springer, so there's still $20M+ left.
"Well, you’ll learn soon enough that this was a massive red wave landslide." - thethe on the 2020 election that trump lost bigly
“I can’t fix my life, but I can fix the world.” - sturg
let's circle back to Turner.
everyone thought it was a foregone conclusion he'd be back in LA. but i think if that were so foregone, he'd have signed. he's testing the market.
my hunch is if he gets an offer he likes, he's going to run back to LA with it and they'll say sure we'll match it. he's likely only going to get 2-3 year offers max, and i don't think LA will have a problem going for it.
i wouldn't be surprised if teams are treating him that way in free agency.
"Well, you’ll learn soon enough that this was a massive red wave landslide." - thethe on the 2020 election that trump lost bigly
“I can’t fix my life, but I can fix the world.” - sturg
jpx7 (02-04-2021)
"Well, you’ll learn soon enough that this was a massive red wave landslide." - thethe on the 2020 election that trump lost bigly
“I can’t fix my life, but I can fix the world.” - sturg
I think I read somewhere 1/18, but with all the numbers coating around here maybe I made that up? If I had to guess, likely 1 year and somewhere between 18 and low 20 million. I don’t see them wanting to invest years or a large amount of money in him. That’s not who they are.
They did not indicate how much, but logic dictates a 1 year offer for players of that stature had to be $20M+, and probably $25M+.
AA gave JD $23M, and then gave Ozuna and Hamels $18M each in the same year. He also splurged on a 1 year deal for DK. It's clear AA is willing to go big on short deals, and abhors long term deals (which is why the Will Smith deal was so baffling).
Last edited by Enscheff; 02-04-2021 at 01:54 PM.
JohnAdcox (02-04-2021)
JohnAdcox (02-04-2021)
Has there been any announcement around spring invitees. Or does that happen closer to March.
Coppy
I'm not sure on Turner. I think his market is LA. LA is holding off b/c they have lots of options. Now that Lindor and Arenando are gone, maybe they just go ahead and sign him. There has been no indication from Turner that he's leaving LA. Rumors are he won't play elsewhere and would rather retire.
I think Ozuna is our only option for an impact bat. I think his impact bat is likely 115-125 wrc+ and not the monster he was. It would not shock me if AA doesn't want to pay a 120 wrc plus guy w/o any other value for 4 years. AA may not want a full time DH.
If Ozuna gets to pick from 4/80 or 2/50 from the braves, that will be an interesting decision.
I don't think AA has done any deals with options, or many incentives. Would he do that now?
I keep thinking the answer is a Trade.
Color me a bit skeptical on Smyly. I'm discounting a lot of 2020 stats, which is why I'm not all-in on Ozuna other than a shorter/high AAV deal. Smyly looked good in 2020, but outside of a couple of upticks, he's your prototypical banged-up journeyman. I'm inordinately patient with pitchers and, at age 31, maybe things have come together for Smyly and he'll be a steal. We do need rotation help and Smyly has shown ability as both a starter and a reliever, which can helpful as the approach to pitching staffs has changed over time.
Enscheff said his market is ATL or LA, which is probably sorta true, but here's my logic:
the Braves aren't offering 4 or more years on Turner. just no way.
if they offer him a solid deal of 3 years or less, i think LA will have no hesitation in matching it.
therefore, to me, like you say as well, his market is really just LA. he's using other teams to drive their price/years up a bit. but anything outside an absurd contract, which he pretty clearly isn't getting, will be matched by LA, and he'll stay put.
these are just my hunches and assumptions, so overall pretty worthless. i just can't consider him a true possibility. any deal AA will be willing to sign him to, LA will be willing to match.
maybe he's hoping Ozuna signs elsewhere and ATL feels they have to come with a big offer that even LA won't want to go for.
"Well, you’ll learn soon enough that this was a massive red wave landslide." - thethe on the 2020 election that trump lost bigly
“I can’t fix my life, but I can fix the world.” - sturg
Man I forgot about Ball. Isn’t he the 8 foot giant from last spring. He is a hitter without a position right?
Coppy
Mets writers saying they’re in serious talks with Bauer.