Some Red State/Blue State Indicia

thethe said:
I just want to understand properly - the public transportation system that has been around for decades and has degraded the last 10-20 years is a factor in wage growth. Ok - I think thats reasonable. What is unique about this that ties to to Democrat policies?

For R&D partnerships you are basically saying that is wealth transfer from taxes to wages so net 0 to the actual worker or probably worse?

LOL - health policy. THe reality is wealthy people are healthier and poor people are not.

I will not say a bad word about SUNY/CUNY as I am proudly a Bing grad and did some focussed studies in finance/accounting at Queens. Did me well.....
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Let me explain to you. Any long stretch of positive outcomes consists of a multiple stretches of small positive outcomes. The power of compounding if you wish. Some of the same thangs that have produced good outcomes for blue states on a decadal scale continue to operate on very short timeframes. The only way you achieve long-run growth is through the grind of positive short run outcomes.

Btw for many decades after the Civil War red states narrowed outcomes. To their credit. That stopped about 3 decades ago. Now the gap in outcomes is widening again. In favor of blue states. It wouldn't be a bad thang if folks like you started ascking why instead of reveling in incidents of crime and mayhem that confirm your comfortable ideological priors.
 
nsacpi said:
Let me explain to you. Any long stretch of positive outcomes consists of a multiple stretches of small positive outcomes. The power of compounding if you wish. Some of the same thangs that have produced good outcomes for blue states on a decadal scale continue to operate on very short timeframes. The only way you achieve long-run growth is through the grind of positive short run outcomes.

Btw for many decades after the Civil War red states narrowed outcomes. To their credit. That stopped about 3 decades ago. Now the gap in outcomes is widening again. In favor of blue states. It wouldn't be a bad thang if folks like you started ascking why instead of reveling in incidents of crime and mayhem that confirm your comfortable ideological priors.
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Your outcomes are basically correlated to wealth levels.

Concentration of wealth in NYC is driving your aggregate figures and its why you don't look at more granular levels.
 
There is a lot of work on mobility. And generally blue areas are much better places for someone born in the lowest decile to move up to the middle class. That applies to poor people of all racial and ethnic groups, including poor whites. Anyhow I have some classes to teach. We can continue later. Thanks for a constructive discussion.
 
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Tapate50 said:
Man saying where the majority of your food/raw material would come from being a third world country is bold.
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We import lots of food/raw materials from countries like Mexico and Brazil. Third world countries. Like most of Red America would be if not for the economic dynamism and technological spillovers from Blue America. We should have withheld the vaccines from y'all and let y'all eat ivermectin.

On a per capital basis Massachusetts produces not 10 times the number of top scientists as Deep South states. Not 100 times. More like 10,000 times. That's the difference between a dynamic technologically advanced country and a backwater.
 
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nsacpi said:
We import lots of food/raw materials from countries like Mexico and Brazil. Third world countries. Like most of Red America would be if not for the economic dynamism and technological spillovers from Blue America. We should have withheld the vaccines from y'all and let y'all eat ivermectin.

On a per capital basis Massachusetts produces not 10 times the number of top scientists as Deep South states. Not 100 times. More like 10,000 times. That's the difference between a dynamic technologically advanced country and a backwater.
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Yet, people are moving from the blue states to the red states.

You still don't get it and never will.
 
Garmel said:
Yet, people are moving from the blue states to the red states.

You still don't get it and never will.
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The Texas and Florida models work to some extent. They attract mature companies and mature people with low taxes. Good for them. They just don't match the likes of California, New York, Washington, Massachusetts, New Jersey, etc when it comes to the type of technological breakthroughs and entrepreneurship that drives growth and improves standards of living. There's nothing wrong with driving in the slow lane. When I retire it will be to a place like that.
 
nsacpi said:
The Texas and Florida models work to some extent. They attract mature companies and mature people with low taxes. Good for them. They just don't match the likes of California, New York, Washington, Massachusetts, New Jersey, etc when it comes to the type of technological breakthroughs and entrepreneurship that drives growth and improves standards of living. There's nothing wrong with driving in the slow lane. When I retire it will be to a place like that.
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As thethe said "old money" is the only thing keeping the blue states afloat.

Many of the blue states will look like Detroit in 50 years.

It's lot more than old people moving to the south.
 
Old money ain't the driver. It is the mostly young talent at relatively young world-beating companies and some very impressive upstarts. These companies are very often founded by immigrants and/or their children. Our children do exceptionally well because we are selective about which parts of American culture we adopt and which parts we reject. They do a lot better than the children of fully-assimilated Americans.
 
Garmel said:
As thethe said "old money" is the only thing keeping the blue states afloat.

Many of the blue states will look like Detroit in 50 years.

It's lot more than old people moving to the south.
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That's patently false.

On states in net population growth from 2023 to 2024, of the top 10 4 are clear blue (NJ, Cali, NY and Washington) 3 are clear red (Texas, Florida South Carolina) 3 are purple with red leaning (georgia, North Carolina, and Arizona)

You're right that a lot of people are moving to the south, because their jobs are moving there. Because they can pay people less to work down there so people move down there, when CoL goes up in the south, then they'll migrate somewhere else.
 
zitothebrave said:
That's patently false.

On states in net population growth from 2023 to 2024, of the top 10 4 are clear blue (NJ, Cali, NY and Washington) 3 are clear red (Texas, Florida South Carolina) 3 are purple with red leaning (georgia, North Carolina, and Arizona)

You're right that a lot of people are moving to the south, because their jobs are moving there. Because they can pay people less to work down there so people move down there, when CoL goes up in the south, then they'll migrate somewhere else.
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There is some of that too. What the red states lack is high value-added innovation. I think North Carolina is starting to figure it out. Of course the parts of North Carolina that are starting to catch on are deeply blue.
 
zitothebrave said:
That's patently false.

On states in net population growth from 2023 to 2024, of the top 10 4 are clear blue (NJ, Cali, NY and Washington) 3 are clear red (Texas, Florida South Carolina) 3 are purple with red leaning (georgia, North Carolina, and Arizona)

You're right that a lot of people are moving to the south, because their jobs are moving there. Because they can pay people less to work down there so people move down there, when CoL goes up in the south, then they'll migrate somewhere else.
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A year of net population growth doesn't mean much. Cal, NY, and NJ are set to lose House seats after the 2030 census. No blue states will gain one House seat.

People are moving to the south because the cost of living has gotten out of hand in the blue states.
 
"In 2020, California's population was 39,538,223. For 2030, the state's population is projected to be around 39.7 million or possibly over 40 million, depending on the source. These projections reflect a significant slowing in population growth compared to earlier decades."
 
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