nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
It is a question of what is realistic for each player. If BJ were hitting .100, I'd say that I expect a rebound "at some point" or "eventually." If he were hitting .350, I'd say there was some regression coming.
So whats the answer to our offensive woes ?
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It is a question of what is realistic for each player. If BJ were hitting .100, I'd say that I expect a rebound "at some point" or "eventually." If he were hitting .350, I'd say there was some regression coming.
UNCBlue012
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Besides moving guys around, there's not a lot we can really do right now. I love Jason and I think he will get going, but I wonder what would happen if we bat BJ lead? I know it's not something we'd typically WANT to do, but I just know that our offense isn't clicking. Either Pastor or LaStella needs to play. I like both guys and see them being consistent with more at bats. What we need is for our guys to stop sucking and freaking hit. It's easier said than done, but it doesn't matter. They can hit like this and expect to go far. I know they're pissed too, but man. I still say Heyward, LaStella/Pastor, Freeman, JUP, Gattis, Cjoh, BJ, Simmons, Pitcher. I think it's the best we can do right now.
VirginiaBrave
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Consistency is the problem. But bigger than just the problem itself is the fact none of the hitters in question save Freddie have ever been consistent in the first place. Justin is the streakiest player I have ever seen in a Braves uni. Johnson is solid but not a guy that can carry you a month. Simmons is super young yet and has about year and a half yet before we should expect to see glimpses of his best. Laird needs to go, it still boggles the mind why David Ross is not the backup catcher on this team. Same could be said for Tim Hudson in the rotation. Pena and Pastornicky neither one are big league starters no matter how much some think otherwise. You want to fix second? I will throw out some names, Gordon, Altuve, Infante, Prado. One of those guys should be available and with six starters for five spots we should be able to land one of those guys. BJ is flat out the worst free agent signing since Albie Lopez in Atlanta and frankly the years can't go by fast enough for me. Heyward is most perplexing for me but the guy is in his third full year when you consider time missed and basically has done nothing but regressed offensively. He will never be the MVP candidate unless the light bulb goes off and he makes the changes called for. If we could get back a solid corner outfielder and a proven mlb second baseman with good speed that could hit lead off it would fix a lot of ills. How about Heyward, Floyd, and a prospect for Altuve and Fowler?
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
You quoted something I said. But I don't see any mention of BJ in that particular quote. So I'm a bit confused about what exactly you are referring to. Maybe other people are expecting more from BJ. In my mind BJ in the past four or five weeks has returned to his underlying level. So I expect neither improvement nor regression relative to where he has been in that period.
Pray Heyward and Johnson become good hitters this year.
Stuck with Gattis, Simmons, BeeeJ. Freemonster and J-Up can hit.
Can get rid of Uggla, but the offense will only get slightly better unless we make a trade.
So, essentially as I said, just hope Heyward and Johnson improve and that would give 4 good hitters in the lineup.
Stuck with Gattis, Simmons, BeeeJ. Freemonster and J-Up can hit.
Can get rid of Uggla, but the offense will only get slightly better unless we make a trade.
So, essentially as I said, just hope Heyward and Johnson improve and that would give 4 good hitters in the lineup.
PawPawMaxwell
Called Up to the Major Leagues
The problem is compounded by the fact that we have so little that can be traded for any kind of positive return.
IMO the only trade chips we have are JUpton, Heyward and maybe Minor and Heyward is really doubtful at this time.
IMO the only trade chips we have are JUpton, Heyward and maybe Minor and Heyward is really doubtful at this time.
Why would a team that has completely dismantled its organization and is in the process of rebuilding from scratch want a 33 year old Pitcher and a swap of similar guys?
Until Heyward takes a step forward (assuming he ever does), trading Fowler for him is like trading six for a half-dozen. Floyd and a prospect for Altuve? Not likely unless that prospect is named Lucas Sims.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
If we do ultimately go outside the organization for a second baseman I think Altuve makes a lot of sense. Young, cost controlled. Plays for a team that is a seller this year. But have no doubt, the price will be fairly high, precisely because he is young with a team-friendly contract. My guess is the Astros would require us to give up one of Sims, Peraza, Hursh, Cabrera, Victor Reyes or Bethancourt. Maybe more.
The Heyward part ain't happening. And the Floyd part doesn't make sense either for us or a rebuilding team like the Stros.
NinersSBChamps
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I lumped you in with others unitentionally.
NinersSBChamps
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Altuve would be the perfect addition. He would fill two holes. Second base and a lead off hitter. You are right though. His asking price would be very high and rightfully so.
The Astros aren't trading Altuve. They have him locked up until 2019 on incredibly team friendly terms.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
These guys K a ton, but that's alright if you hit HRs and walk, neither or which they are doing at a rate that would justify the Ks (at least right now). I just think it's a bad mix. Add to that the fact that Heyward and Chris Johnson aren't doing that well right now and it's not a pretty picture.
cajunrevenge
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The guy I wantb is Daniel Murphy of the Mets. They tried to trade him this last offseason so he should be available around mid season. He is similar to Johnson in that he hits for a good average and doesn't walk much. He has 11 steals so far in the year. I think he would fit well in the #2 spot in the batting order. Can also play 3b and 1b. He can not play OF. Just trust me on that one.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
We were all excited about locking up this group (except CJ). Most want Heyward resigned.
So we're locked into LF, CF, 3B, SS, 1B for more than 2 years (maybe not Justin). KLaw advocates dumping Gattis for CB.
The only places to get major upgrades are 2B and C. I don't see anyone out there to do that.
To get to be a decent offense (consistently good vs streaky) is to get 2/3:
1. Need to get high OBP from 2B replacement for Uggla
2. Heyward needs to be close to last year's version of Heyward leading off
3. At least one person takes a big step up OBP (Simmons, Gattis, BJ)
So we're locked into LF, CF, 3B, SS, 1B for more than 2 years (maybe not Justin). KLaw advocates dumping Gattis for CB.
The only places to get major upgrades are 2B and C. I don't see anyone out there to do that.
To get to be a decent offense (consistently good vs streaky) is to get 2/3:
1. Need to get high OBP from 2B replacement for Uggla
2. Heyward needs to be close to last year's version of Heyward leading off
3. At least one person takes a big step up OBP (Simmons, Gattis, BJ)
DirkPiggler
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All that makes sense except dumping Gattis for Bethancourt. I'd rather have a low OBP guy with big time power and average defense than a low OBP guy with below average power and really good defense. Not that CB can't be good at some point, but he's at least a year away and probably more from being able to hit well enough to be an everyday catcher.
Russ2dollas
10 yr, $185 million Extension
I agree. But I admit I'm a Braves fan and a Gattis fan. So I may be biased in my view on Gattis. Seems like national guys say he's hurting us on D and O isn't good. Thought is CB is only a little worse on O and much better on D.
Personally I think Gattis is solid at C. I think he's taking better at bats and getting big hits. But I'm not an expert by any means.
DirkPiggler
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I agree with all that. Gattis "bad offense" is right around an .800 OPS. Considering that CB's best offensive season in the minors is about equal to Evan's worst to date in the big leagues, I don't see how anyone gets that he's only a little worse offensively than Gattis. If we're projecting based on minor league numbers Gattis' plate discipline should improve with experience, and that is really the only offensive tool he's lacking right now.
Hopefully I'm wrong about CB and he turns into Yadi or pre-steroids Pudge. Right now I don't see it happening.
This might help explain why Law still works for ESPN when quite a few other "gurus" have been hired by MLB organizations.
Just sayin'.