The Siege of Minneapolis
- Thread starter nsacpi
- Start date
Metaphysicist
Not Actually Brian Hunter
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
And yet, smart enough to have survived numerous police encounters during my life.
Metaphysicist
Not Actually Brian Hunter
You said infinity, not me. This was your one shot at me talking to you like an adult and you failed. Goodbye.
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
One is a problem. That doesn’t necessarily mean anything should be done differently. My dog is the best dog I’ve ever known. He crapped in the floor not too long ago. I cleaned it up and didn’t change anything because the vast majority of the time, that doesn’t happen.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
I’m terribly upset now.
When you understand that the population is small it’s stupid to put an arbitrary figure like 100 or 1000. That’s a childish expectation that is irrelevant to the underlying conversation.
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
I see what you did there
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
Recently I was in a traffic accident. The county deputy arrived and asked me if I was okay and what happened. I said, I’m fine and just so you know I have a 9mm on my hip. He said well just don’t show me yours and I won’t show you mine. Then the state trooper arrived and we had a similar conversation.
Miraculously I survived, despite being at fault for the accident.
Miraculously I survived, despite being at fault for the accident.
Metaphysicist
Not Actually Brian Hunter
Okay, thank you, I appreciate the answer. And I agree with you that one is a problem, but we live in a world where sometimes errors happen.
The real world answer is that since July, federal judges have found that over 2,300 people have been illegally held and ordered released.
Just for context, this is not counting anybody stopped on the street for some amount of time and then released. This doesn't include anyone who was held and then later released when the government released their error. This is people (a) held indefinitely who (b) managed to get a lawyer, (c) managed to file a habeas petition, (d) the government was allowed to respond, and then (e) a federal judge found the government was illegally holding them. So this is probably a vast undercut of people actually held without legal basis.
I would encourage you to read the court filings in that thread, as there are direct examples where the government fails to give a single reason someone was held, but still opposes their release. There are examples of these petitions being granted daily for people in these Minnesota raids. I would suggest that you pause and consider whether given this mass unlawfulness, you might understand why people are upset and protesting.
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
Once I detained a shoplifter I caught stealing from the store I was managing. He decided to punch me instead of just giving back the stolen items. It got pretty messy. When the cop arrived he arrested the guy and then told me that he thought I went too far in my detention methods. I said then you should arrest me and I’ll prove you wrong in court.
Somehow, I lived to write this post.
Somehow, I lived to write this post.
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
That’s a fair concern and indicates there should be a change in policy or training. I don’t think either of us believe the protesting and interference would be significantly less if that number had been zero.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Metaphysicist
Not Actually Brian Hunter
I also agree that people should be civil with law enforcement and my legal advice to my clients is to obey orders, even if they are clearly illegal, because that can be addressed in court. What I will say, however, is that in my day job I watch body camera footage of police officers all, and even the worst cops would not act like the ICE officers in these videos.