I think you need to lock up minor and decide what to do with Hayward if he stays awesome but if he's not going to shouldn't we get something for him. I still think we should try to get Jay if only to wave by by to Schafer. Let's say we go after jay what would it cost us?
Jon Jay
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Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
I'd keep Heyward over Minor, his potential is through the roof.
We've been able to produce/be able to get good production from SP's, not so much with position players.
Heyward's problem is health, not production, pay him and go from there. Having Simmons/FF/Heyward all signed long-term would be huge going into the stadium.
tomahawkchop10
Gwinnett Bound
Heyward should be by far our number 1 priority imo. I love Jup and minor, but having a young core of Heyward, freeman, simba, Julio, and wood is the way we really need to go.
Also Signing Heyward doesnt automatically mean we cant still sign one of JUP or minor. Both would be tough.
Also Signing Heyward doesnt automatically mean we cant still sign one of JUP or minor. Both would be tough.
More then what it is worth.
Getting a new 4th OFer is not something the braves should be trading what assets they have for.
Braves1976
It's OVER 5,000!
I'm a big Minor fan as y'all know, but Heyward should come first. Then Minor and/or Justin after that (hopefully both if they both keep doing well).
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
I think that it goes without saying that f he stays healthy and continues to hit for power and get on base—the elite D and baserunning has been there all year—he'll have shown the team what they were looking for this off-season, per FW's comments about conversations with his agent. I hope the club opens the vault.
CrimsonCowboy
Moderator
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
Only reason i'm not sure he'd accept is he would be entering a FA year and might wanna test the market. But he's certainly worth a big contract, whether he accepts is another story.
Unless they offered him a FF+ deal.
Good lord some of you are nearly as crazy as the OP.
Heyward is a fine player, but not worth 20 million, even with todays increased salaries. Once his defense diminishes (and it will sooner, rather than later) he'll be a .270/.350/474 player, and while that is nice, it's hardly worth paying 20 million for.
Much rather sign J-Up long term.
Heyward is a fine player, but not worth 20 million, even with todays increased salaries. Once his defense diminishes (and it will sooner, rather than later) he'll be a .270/.350/474 player, and while that is nice, it's hardly worth paying 20 million for.
Much rather sign J-Up long term.
UNCBlue012
Well-known member
Why would we get rid of Jason? We still have two years if anything. Extend him for 4-5 more and let's get over it haha
Heyward has been our best player for well over a month now and if this continues then he will finish as our best player this year.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
He's better and younger than guys like Pence and Choo. I'm pretty confident he will get significantly more than they did this past off-season.
Well he isn't better offensively than those guys, which is what you get paid for. Nevertheless, I'm sure someone will give Heyward 20 million based largely on name and potential. They doesn't mean that team should be us.
If you can't spell his name, don't offer up trades do him.
It won't surprise me if the Yanks or Red Sox sign Heyward for 20 mil, but I think it would be crazy for the Braves too. They just can't afford to take that risk with how inconsistent Heyward seems to be. If your best argument for paying Heyward 20 mil is that "at least he'll provide great defense and base running in RF, and hopefully his bat will come around" I don't think it's a good idea.
It won't surprise me if the Yanks or Red Sox sign Heyward for 20 mil, but I think it would be crazy for the Braves too. They just can't afford to take that risk with how inconsistent Heyward seems to be. If your best argument for paying Heyward 20 mil is that "at least he'll provide great defense and base running in RF, and hopefully his bat will come around" I don't think it's a good idea.
Oh wow 1 month. Well damn, let's write him a blank check now!
Let's see him do this over a full season.
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
In terms of projecting future performance over the next 4-5 years, I'd say Heyward is a 4.5-5.5 WAR player on average, Justin Upton 3.5-4.5 WAR and Freddie 4-5.
Guys like Pence and Choo are older and I would expect some decline. I'd say over the next 4-5 years Pence and Choo will average 3-4 WAR.
It is true that the market does not pay as much for the defensive component of WAR, but that is far from saying that it pays zero for it.
Guys like Pence and Choo are older and I would expect some decline. I'd say over the next 4-5 years Pence and Choo will average 3-4 WAR.
It is true that the market does not pay as much for the defensive component of WAR, but that is far from saying that it pays zero for it.
WAR is hardly accurate though. It puts a lot of value into defensive numbers of which we do not know their accuracy. Hell for the entire first month and half of the season or so that Heyward slept through, WAR valued him more highly than J-Up and Freddie who were killing it. I'm sorry but any stat that shows a .200BA/.600OPS hitter as more valuable than .300BA/.900OPS hitter just isnt worth a damn.
I feel very confident in saying that J-Up and Freddie will be significantly better hitters over the next 4-5 yrs than Heyward.
I feel very confident in saying that J-Up and Freddie will be significantly better hitters over the next 4-5 yrs than Heyward.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
Probably, but Jason will be a much better baserunner and fielder. Even if you don't agree with the value WAR places on defense you cannot deny that Jason isn't much much better in both of those categories.