:Wren capitulates, promotes Gosselin to satisfy bloodthirsty Chop Country mob.

rico43

rico43

<B>Director of Minor League Reports</B>
This is insane, and worthy of its own post, if not thread:

Over his last five games, Philip Gosselin is 14-for-21 (.667) with 4 doubles, 2 triples, 1 home run, 8 runs scored, 5 RBIs, 2 walks and only one freaking strikeout.

Modest proposal: have him take a few ground balls at third, then bring him up and bench Johnson's butt and see what happens. Even if you let CJ keep his job, PG's .338 average would be on the bench.

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Does this guy look ready to hit in ATL? Yes, he does.
 
I despise Chris Johnson starting as much as the next person but a hot streak of 5 games and a high BABip for the season doesn't wash away that he'd probably be AT BEST a wash with Chris Johnson's current production and that's pretty awful. He even has less power than Johnson and that's just sad. Gosselin has never been able to hit and is having a fluke year just like Johnson had a fluke year last year. Learn from BABip and realize guys like Johnson and Gosselin aren't starting material and barely bench material. At least Johnson could be a decent platoon guy... Now if we were to call up Kubitza who actually has talent then that would be interesting.
 
BremanFan88 said:
I despise Chris Johnson starting as much as the next person but a hot streak of 5 games and a high BABip for the season doesn't wash away that he'd probably be AT BEST a wash with Chris Johnson's current production and that's pretty awful. He even has less power than Johnson and that's just sad. Gosselin has never been able to hit and is having a fluke year just like Johnson had a fluke year last year. Learn from BABip and realize guys like Johnson and Gosselin aren't starting material and barely bench material. At least Johnson could be a decent platoon guy... Now if we were to call up Kubitza who actually has talent then that would be interesting.
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Kubitza is going to have a full-blown audition next spring. I am coming around on his offensive potential, but his defense continues to give me concerns. My statement about Gosselin is a) to give them an excuse, finally, for purging Uggla, b) maybe riding the hot hand for a while and c) putting little reality check in Johnson's bonnet. But what I know about Gosselin, his competitive streak, I am not putting past him the desire to make himself a better hitter, and I think his year in the IL (.338! c'mon Bremen) is more tribute to figuring out what it takes that a fluke. I believe being removed from the 40-man redoubled his purpose. But maybe that's just the glass-half-full version of what you just said.
 
Gosselin does have some similarities to CJ--the high BABIP (at least for this season) and low walk rate. There are some differences too. A lower strikeout rate, even allowing for the typical increase when a player goes from AAA to the majors. He's also a better defender and base runner. I suspect though that CJ is the better overall player once the peaks and valleys are ironed out. But it isn't a slam dunk.

Of course, down the line Peraza and Kubitza are likely to be the more serious competition to CJ's hold on third.
 
BremanFan88 said:
I despise Chris Johnson starting as much as the next person but a hot streak of 5 games and a high BABip for the season doesn't wash away that he'd probably be AT BEST a wash with Chris Johnson's current production and that's pretty awful. He even has less power than Johnson and that's just sad. Gosselin has never been able to hit and is having a fluke year just like Johnson had a fluke year last year. Learn from BABip and realize guys like Johnson and Gosselin aren't starting material and barely bench material. At least Johnson could be a decent platoon guy... Now if we were to call up Kubitza who actually has talent then that would be interesting.
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In lower levels of play BABIP can be quite high for good hitters because pitching isn't as good and it's easier to square up on a ball. The typical .280-340 BABIP Major League range doesn't really apply to minor league ball.
 
nsacpi said:
Gosselin does have some similarities to CJ--the high BABIP (at least for this season) and low walk rate. There are some differences too. A lower strikeout rate, even allowing for the typical increase when a player goes from AAA to the majors. He's also a better defender and base runner. I suspect though that CJ is the better overall player once the peaks and valleys are ironed out. But it isn't a slam dunk.

Of course, down the line Peraza and Kubitza are likely to be the more serious competition to CJ's hold on third.
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But the urgency in my OP is because it's reasonable to assume that neither one of those guys is quite ready to help this season. I want 2014 to be something other than the bummer it seems to be wanting to become. So what if he's doesn't have as much power as CJ; the last time I looked, Johnson big hits are the same gap kind that Gosselin has been producing all year. He is the guy to justify cuttling Uggla loose, simple as that.
 
rico43 said:
But the urgency in my OP is because it's reasonable to assume that neither one of those guys is quite ready to help this season. I want 2014 to be something other than the bummer it seems to be wanting to become. So what if he's doesn't have as much power as CJ; the last time I looked, Johnson big hits are the same gap kind that Gosselin has been producing all year. He is the guy to justify cuttling Uggla loose, simple as that.
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As I said it isn't a slam dunk. But if I had to predict which one can give us more in the second half, I'd go with CJ. Certainly there is a good case for giving Gosselin Uggla's roster spot and letting him have some games at third. Competition is a good thing, especially when you're not getting much production from a position.
 
High BABIP means he is hot, that's baseball. Riding a guy while he is smoking, then saddle someone else.
 
Tapate50 said:
High BABIP means he is hot, that's baseball. Riding a guy while he is smoking, then saddle someone else.
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I think that approach makes more sense in September and October. Right now we have to make decisions based on who is likely to do well over a 3-4 month period. Over that kind of period the ups and downs are more likely to even out and you need to choose base on quality. Still I wouldn't mind seeing someone spell CJ once a week while he is struggling.
 
nsacpi said:
I think that approach makes more sense in September and October. Right now we have to make decisions based on who is likely to do well over a 3-4 month period. Over that kind of period the ups and downs are more likely to even out and you need to choose base on quality. Still I wouldn't mind seeing someone spell CJ once a week while he is struggling.
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Sure, I get that. But to optimize while they are locked in, you got to move quick. If this streak lasts 3 months, and he spends 2.5 of that in the minors, then you haven't taken full advantage.
 
Gosselin doubled his first time up in Saturday's DH. Now hitting .340. Just sayin'.

Dang, if I knew Johnson would respond like this, I'd a lit his butt up weeks ago. Keep on keeping on, CJ.
 
I root for Gosselin just like I root for all Braves prospect. But he is 25 and hitting much more than he ever has...

Yangervis Solarte.

Charles Thomas.

Just saying.

Hope Gosselin proves me wrong. But I think at best he is a good bench piece.
 
Garmel said:
In lower levels of play BABIP can be quite high for good hitters because pitching isn't as good and it's easier to square up on a ball. The typical .280-340 BABIP Major League range doesn't really apply to minor league ball.
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He's had a long minor league career with a very low BABIP and it's suddenly spiked this year. If it were consistently high like say Kubitza then you might have a legit argument. He's historically been a very poor hitter while being older for the league he'd be in. Not good.
 
I think you have to at least try and call him up. Uggla is an absolute waste of a spot. It boggles my mind that he is still on the roster.
 
rico43 said:
Kubitza is going to have a full-blown audition next spring. I am coming around on his offensive potential, but his defense continues to give me concerns. My statement about Gosselin is a) to give them an excuse, finally, for purging Uggla, b) maybe riding the hot hand for a while and c) putting little reality check in Johnson's bonnet. But what I know about Gosselin, his competitive streak, I am not putting past him the desire to make himself a better hitter, and I think his year in the IL (.338! c'mon Bremen) is more tribute to figuring out what it takes that a fluke. I believe being removed from the 40-man redoubled his purpose. But maybe that's just the glass-half-full version of what you just said.
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As an Uggla replacement that's fine. He's just clearly going through a hot streak but his body of work in the minors is pretty bad. I just don't expect he'd be able to sustain any quality of play in the majors. He's old for AAA and his BABip is about 100 points higher than his career. I'm not saying he hasn't somehow figured it out, it's just not likely there-in feels like a fluke.
 
thethe said:
I think you have to at least try and call him up. Uggla is an absolute waste of a spot. It boggles my mind that he is still on the roster.
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He and Fredi are good friends and "veteran leadership" are contributing factors to the Dan Uggla enigma.
 
Why was Gosselin pulled in the second game of the doubleheader today? Possible call up?
 
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