Braves Trade Heyward, Walden to Cardinals for Miller and Tyrell Jenkins

yeezus said:
So what's the plan in the OF moving forward?
No prospects, no money for anyone good.
Garret Anderson still around?
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I don't know... how about you wait until Spring Training is closer than 4 months away before flipping out and assuming the worst.
 
couple of minutes works.

Jason do you want to sign long term?

Yes. I'm looking for 200 million over 8 years.

we can't afford that....will you take a team friendly deal if we buy out these arb years.

Not much, I'm this close to free agency I might as well see the market. I think my overall game will improve.

END of conversation. Time 2 minutes. ATL has no shot/interest in 20+ million.
 
yeezus said:
Heyward said it was discussed...
..for a couple of minutes.
Again, I guess he's a liar.
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Ok, a couple of minute discussion could be:

Wren: Jason what are you looking for
Jason: 25M per season
Wren: Crap we are going to have to trade him

So there could have been plenty learned from a few minutes. Sounds like an easy way to cop out that Heyward asked fora crazy amount of money the Braves weren't willing to pay.
 
thewupk said:
So why not and try and move those guys to free up money for actual good players?
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Who in their right mind is going to take BJ Upton? Seriously? We wouldh ave to trade 2-3 top prospects for teams to take that money.
 
thethe said:
So you think they signed Heyward to a 2 year extension without ever discussing what it would take for a long term deal? This is the same offseason where they handed out over 300M dollars.
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According to Heyward they discussed it for like 10 minutes. And Heyward brought the 2 year deal to the table to avoid arbitration for two years. I'd choose to believe the side who is actually stating what happened instead of 'assuming' and 'not knowing' which is what Hart has said.
 
BremanFan88 said:
Fangraphs or Jason Heyward. Hard to say which one would know...
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One publishes a website that relies on credible info for their income. Publishing misinformation could very well put them out of business. Journalistic integrity is pretty much it's lifeline.

The other is about to become a FA and wants as many suitors as possible. A good image is a great asset.

I'll wager we won't wver know what really happened.
 
Russ2dollas said:
couple of minutes works.

Jason do you want to sign long term?

Yes. I'm looking for 200 million over 8 years.

we can't afford that....will you take a team friendly deal if we buy out these arb years.

Not much, I'm this close to free agency I might as well see the market. I think my overall game will improve.

END of conversation. Time 2 minutes. ATL has no shot/interest in 20+ million.
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Yup, so while it sounds like Heyward was shafted he may have clearly laid the groundwork that a deal could not be reached.
 
thethe said:
Ok, a couple of minute discussion could be:

Wren: Jason what are you looking for
Jason: 25M per season
Wren: Crap we are going to have to trade him

So there could have been plenty learned from a few minutes. Sounds like an easy way to cop out that Heyward asked fora crazy amount of money the Braves weren't willing to pay.
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Yeah true. People never start high in negotiations and then come down. And if someone says something one year, it means they feel the same the next year.
 
yeezus said:
Yeah true. People never start high in negotiations and then come down. And if someone says something one year, it means they feel the same the next year.
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Why would someone like Heyward (a guy that is going to make a fortune in FA) sign an extension one year after declining one? How does that make sense for him at all?
 
Tapate50 said:
One publishes a website that relies on credible info for their income. Publishing misinformation could very well put them out of business. Journalistic integrity is pretty much it's lifeline.

The other is about to become a FA and wants as many suitors as possible. A good image is a great asset.

I'll wager we won't wver know what really happened.
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Because journalist never make stuff up...ever. Ever. Maybe you'd have a point if some kind of source was attached to it. Sounds like just another assumption.
 
thethe said:
Why would someone like Heyward (a guy that is going to make a fortune in FA) sign an extension one year after declining one? How does that make sense for him at all?
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Because he didn't bust out offensively the way he had hoped and wanted to stay (as he stated)?
 
thethe said:
Ok, a couple of minute discussion could be:

Wren: Jason what are you looking for
Jason: 25M per season
Wren: Crap we are going to have to trade him

So there could have been plenty learned from a few minutes. Sounds like an easy way to cop out that Heyward asked fora crazy amount of money the Braves weren't willing to pay.
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Not a crazy amount. It's the market. I don't think he's worth it but like you said half of baseball may.

FF decided to take less. Maybe he felt his low HR total and/or defensive metrics would hurt him on the open market. But he took less.

Heyward earned the right to test FA. No hard feelings.

If you want to go total Money ball this could be a great deal. Maximize your output per dollar spend on JHey and then flip him for Shelby Miller who could have a very good return on production vs salary.

I still think this package is less. I thought this is the type of deal we'd get for Gattis......but maybe I'm just crazy and don't know the market.
 
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