La Stella would have been an average at worst 2B. Catcher was fine with Gattis/CB. 3rd would have been solved with a platoon guy for CJ. Center was the only spot that would of required some creative thinking. The Braves could have cobbled together a rotation. They always do.
Braves Trade Heyward, Walden to Cardinals for Miller and Tyrell Jenkins
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La Stella would have been an average at worst 2B. Catcher was fine with Gattis/CB. 3rd would have been solved with a platoon guy for CJ. Center was the only spot that would of required some creative thinking. The Braves could have cobbled together a rotation. They always do.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
Yes, I'm fully aware of Jasons DOB.
I'm also aware that outfielders defensive contributions as evidenced by defensive metrics severely decline as players age. Once that happens with Heyward as he nears 30 then his contract is going to not be great unless he fixes his offensive inconsistencies.
BremanFan88
Playing the Waiting Game
Man how screwed are we when Freddie loses his ability to hit in two years.
He's going to be in his PRIME in 2-3 years.
So you are assuming his defense will still be at all time levels or that he will figure it out offensively?
CyYoung31
Shift Leader
Yeah, he's showing that he's a senile twit if he states directly what really happened. Can't have any member of the triumvirate looking any less than holy.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
I'm much more excited about Jenkins, in terms of top-of-the-rotation potential, than Miller, to be honest—but, obviously, health is the big concern.
For all those making Miller/Wainwright comparisons, I'll repeat: Jenkins' situation is much more analogous, at time-of-trade, than Miller's.
When have I ever said that hitting skill diminishes that fast.
Please do not warp my argument while being disrespectful. I never show that attitude towards you.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
If we would've just traded Miller and Jenkins for Heyward and Walden you would be saying Heyward is 2-3 years away from being an MVP and Walden is ready to save 40+ games.
BremanFan88
Playing the Waiting Game
He'll be nearing 30 in 5 years. At the very least you'll probably get A 30 WAR out of him and that's assuming his offense doesn't improve at all. That's still a very very good player.
BremanFan88
Playing the Waiting Game
It was just a joke to lighten the mood, Francis.
I still think Heyward is going to be a fantastic player for the next few years. And I have said numerous times prior to this deal that I have tempered my expectations for Heyward.
Dalyn
Fredi Gonzalez Supporter
I believe his defense will stick around as long as he stays in great shape. It is about instinct and that fantastic first jump he gets. A few of the edges will fade - arm strength maybe and speed a bit, but he will get those great jumps for a long time. And none of this is going to happen at 28, not unless he is injured.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
It'll be even worse.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
I'm in agreement with whoever is saying Wren should have been fired. I was a defender of his for the most part, but I think looking at where this team was and how the offense was constructed he kinda had to go. But then the argument for him is no matter what your opinion of BJ was when we initially signed him, no one could at all foresee the complete and total collapse as an all-around baseball player he had. Few guys ever have been as big a disappointment, and how terrible he's been is amazing. He could have regressed a good amount after coming here and still been far more productive. I also think he counted on Heyward becoming that guy and carrying them a bit more. I don't blame Heyward completely, because he wasn't necessarily set up for success here, he's still young, and various other reasons.
The front office clearly didn't believe in and value him like many others did (and did not, as well). I think a decent question for every one is: How much would you have given him and for how long? Just you personally. IMO he's worth about $22 mil a year and could end up being a bargain at that. He's still young, is a great athlete, and still has projections in his frame. I don't really know if the Braves even offered him that much, or if they did and he turned it down. I don't think he would have, but I don't know.
The front office clearly didn't believe in and value him like many others did (and did not, as well). I think a decent question for every one is: How much would you have given him and for how long? Just you personally. IMO he's worth about $22 mil a year and could end up being a bargain at that. He's still young, is a great athlete, and still has projections in his frame. I don't really know if the Braves even offered him that much, or if they did and he turned it down. I don't think he would have, but I don't know.
BedellBrave
It's OVER 5,000!
Why in the world would any sane GM tie up that amount - which is what 16% of the budget in the production that Heyward gives you? Even if he ticks up a bit in his production? Does that make sense?
I think thats very possible. But after this year he is going to get an 8 year deal at the very least and like I've said he will be very good the first half of the contract but that second half could get hairy if he doesn't further improve his hitting.
yeezus
It's OVER 5,000!
The Redskins defense sucks, so let's replace all the guys with practice squad guys and undrafted rookies because it can't get worse right?
A player who is as massive as Heyward will probably lose speed and flexiblity faster than a guy like AOKI who is just a twig.
Maybe Heyward slims down but if you've spent any time in a gym you would know that guys that big don't typically stay nimble.
Heyward
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Definately a little more excited over Jenkins more you hear about him.
Still hate we traded away Jason but oh well such is life.