Braves donate Justin Upton to Padres for prospects

Enscheff said:
The Ms have a ton of pieces that could fit the Braves well. Guys like Walker, Miller, Saunders, and several others fill in the holes perfectly. I imagine Gattis or JUp (or maybe both) will be heading there for a package that fills at least 2 holes in the current roster.

I still think a blockbuster JUp/Gattis trade for Walker/Miller/Saunders/prospect makes a lot of sense.

Then the Braves sign Tomas and Aoki to fill the OF.

C CB

1B Freeman

2B Peraza/Miller

3B CJ/Miller

SS Simmons

LF Tomas

CF Saunders

RF Aoki

SPs Teheran, Wood, Walker, Minor, Miller
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If we could get that deal and them to take (most of) ****ty Upton as part of the price for getting the two RH bats they're looking for I'd wet myself.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
If we could get that deal and them to take (most of) ****ty Upton as part of the price for getting the two RH bats they're looking for I'd wet myself.
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Well they won't. Figure JUp and Walker are about equal in value, and Gattis is worth Miller and Saunders plus some prospect gravy. Drop the prospect, add a chunk of cash from the Braves side, and there might be a chance.

Problem is BJ would likely serve well as a 4th OFer and platoon partner with Saunders (not to mention Saunders is considered injury prone), so I think I would rather have BJ on the bench plus the extra prospect.

I could see a valid argument for the trade being BJ/JUp/Gattis/Cash for Walker/Miller/Saunders though, depending on how the saved cash was used.
 
I don't think I touch Ackley unless they wanted to add him as a throw in, which they won't. His ability to get on base is a huge concern, even in the 2nd half of last yr. And he's a LFer with not that much pop.
 
Carp said:
I don't think I touch Ackley unless they wanted to add him as a throw in, which they won't. His ability to get on base is a huge concern, even in the 2nd half of last yr. And he's a LFer with not that much pop.
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He can also play 2B (although he was quite decent in LF for Seattle last year).

If the Braves could nab him on the cheap I would love to throw him out there -- especially over guys like Pastornicky/Gosselin where the upside is basically nil. Ackley has a tremendous raw skillset and I think it would do him a lot of good to get back to his geographical roots.
 
Enscheff said:
Figure JUp and Walker are about equal in value, and Gattis is worth Miller and Saunders plus some prospect gravy. Drop the prospect, add a chunk of cash from the Braves side, and there might be a chance.

I could see a valid argument for the trade being BJ/JUp/Gattis/Cash for Walker/Miller/Saunders though, depending on how the saved cash was used.
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This would be beautiful.

BTW, Safeco is an unbelievably bad hitter's dungeon. Way worse than Turner. Maybe not as bad as Petco, but beef up or down stats accordingly.

If you put Seager in Yankee Stadium, he'd be Eddie Mathews.
 
Hawk said:
He can also play 2B (although he was quite decent in LF for Seattle last year).

If the Braves could nab him on the cheap I would love to throw him out there -- especially over guys like Pastornicky/Gosselin where the upside is basically nil. Ackley has a tremendous raw skillset and I think it would do him a lot of good to get back to his geographical roots.
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See my comments on hitting in Safeco.

His swing looked really good - even beautiful- in July/August last year. He carried that team for two months. I think the only reason he was moved to left was they had Franklin, and Miller, and Taylor, and somebody had to go. And of course then they signed Cano, so he's never going back there up here. But he can play it pretty well. And an .800 OPS isn't out of the question if you get him out of there.
 
Olney: "Rival evaluators expect that the Braves will trade Justin Upton after the trade of Jason Heyward. But, although some understand the Braves’ efforts to land young, controllable pitching, like Shelby Miller, they wonder why Atlanta has seemed focused solely on pitching in its proposed deals rather than just taking the best players available. “If they only talk to teams that are willing to discuss front-line pitching prospects,” said one AL official, “they’re going to limit themselves.” Additionally, evaluators say, it’s actually more difficult right now to find good young position players than it is to find pitching."
 
Being a baseball season ticket holder at UNC for 15 years....I watched both Ackley and Seager play and it amazes me how their careers have turned out. Ackley was, without a doubt, one of the best college hitters I have ever seen....he was amazing. Seagar, while a very good player, was not the prospect Ackley was. Yet, Seager is having the better pro career...so far. Not surprising, just interesting how these things turn out. I think some hitting coach messed with Ackley's mechanics and he has not gotten it back. He is only 26 so there is time.
 
Hawk said:
Olney: "Rival evaluators expect that the Braves will trade Justin Upton after the trade of Jason Heyward. But, although some understand the Braves’ efforts to land young, controllable pitching, like Shelby Miller, they wonder why Atlanta has seemed focused solely on pitching in its proposed deals rather than just taking the best players available. “If they only talk to teams that are willing to discuss front-line pitching prospects,” said one AL official, “they’re going to limit themselves.” Additionally, evaluators say, it’s actually more difficult right now to find good young position players than it is to find pitching."
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I couldn't agree more. I sure hope we aren't just focused on pitching. We actually have good pitching right now. Our hitting on the other hand stinks.
 
Hawk said:
Olney: "Rival evaluators expect that the Braves will trade Justin Upton after the trade of Jason Heyward. But, although some understand the Braves’ efforts to land young, controllable pitching, like Shelby Miller, they wonder why Atlanta has seemed focused solely on pitching in its proposed deals rather than just taking the best players available. “If they only talk to teams that are willing to discuss front-line pitching prospects,” said one AL official, “they’re going to limit themselves.” Additionally, evaluators say, it’s actually more difficult right now to find good young position players than it is to find pitching."
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Yeah, I've wondered that as well, but it's possible the Braves have changed their philosophy after getting two good young pitchers in the Heyward deal. Hart has recently stated that suddenly the Braves option are almost infinite at this point. Will be an interesting Winter Meetings.
 
No. Impossible. They took the best offer available. No way they limited their return by focusing on the team's strength (last year).
 
The Braves have always gone about things through the perception of need over talent. It's why we traded Tex for Kotchman, why we drafted Joey Devine. It's probably why we drafted Jon Gilmore over Mike Stanton. I don't think it's a particular great philosophy but that and just go after pitching are the Braves Way.
 
BremanFan88 said:
The Braves have always gone about things through the perception of need over talent. It's why we traded Tex for Kotchman, why we drafted Joey Devine. It's probably why we drafted Jon Gilmore over Mike Stanton. I don't think it's a particular great philosophy but that and just go after pitching are the Braves Way.
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It takes real focus to build one of the worst offenses in the game.
 
But, by trading the rest of our offense for great pitching, we'll save money and go sign Torii the motherfreaking man Hunter, who will help us for 2017.
 
weso1 said:
Yeah, I've wondered that as well, but it's possible the Braves have changed their philosophy after getting two good young pitchers in the Heyward deal. Hart has recently stated that suddenly the Braves option are almost infinite at this point. Will be an interesting Winter Meetings.
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Another way to look at it is like this: If they can get numerous high-end pitching prospects then that will allow you to flip them or Sims/Hursh/Cabrera/Martin or Mike Minor for a positional player when the time comes.
 
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