Is all this Braves' rebuilding really necessary?

gilesfan said:
I don't think they've "rebuilt" the farm system. I think they've added some prospects. But that doesn't mean they are back to a top 10 minor league system with a strong future.
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A lot of prospect evaulators have mentioned that the Braves are basically in the top 10 or if not very close to it. Roy Clark and his staff is back. The future is very strong.
 
yeezus said:
Guys, we did not go in to a full-on rebuild, so giles' point about rebuilds taking a decade is kind of moot. We still have some good, young core players that are already proven. Money will be there the next two years. We will have to sign some offense and hope our guys pan out. But it's not like the entire team is stripped. There is plenty of ML ready legit pitching, and more in the minors. I don't think 2017, or even 2016, is out of the question for us to make a little noise.
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They completely gutted the position player scene except for Freeman. Whats left on the pitching side is 3 guys that have pitched in the majors that have a chance to be pretty good major league starters and a few minor league prospects. (which 50 points out, maybe 1 in 10 work out). I would call it a pretty full on rebuild when you are only left with Freeman, Wood, and Teheran plus the acquired Miller. (and Kimbrel, which will be a wasted asset until traded)

How many teams are loaded with young talent, but still can't reach the playoffs? or are loaded for a number of years before reaching the playoffs?
 
I'd came around to accepting that we'd be punting in 2015 because with Fredi still managing I didn't see us going anywhere with him anyway. But this off-season outside of a few trades has been a total nightmare. Further, we are not just punting 2015 with this tear-down. We have put ourselves in a position to lose at least the next two years if not longer.
 
thethe said:
A lot of prospect evaulators have mentioned that the Braves are basically in the top 10 or if not very close to it. Roy Clark and his staff is back. The future is very strong.
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Can you link me the long list? Or at least maybe just 5-10 of them?
 
So there are people that think we have a better chance of competing in 2017 by trading for a lot of injured prospects and hoping they turn into something in two years so they become trade worthy for good position players rather than trying to hold on to the good position players we had and adding around them? I'm selling jars of air if any of you are interested. Seriously why would any of you think this team is going to surprise anyone and be in the wild card hunt? You do realize that our OF defense being significantly worse is going to hurt the performance of our FLYBALL pitching staff right?
 
BremanFan88 said:
So there are people that think we have a better chance of competing in 2017 by trading for a lot of injured prospects and hoping they turn into something in two years so they become trade worthy for good position players rather than trying to hold on to the good position players we had and adding around them? I'm selling jars of air if any of you are interested. Seriously why would any of you think this team is going to surprise anyone and be in the wild card hunt? You do realize that our OF defense being significantly worse is going to hurt the performance of our FLYBALL pitching staff right?
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Did we have a realistic shot at keeping those players?
 
thewupk said:
Yes. The Braves could have afforded Justin or Jason. They chose not to because they don't think they are as valuable as they really are.
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As you "believe" they are. People are entitled to hold different opinions and those opinions should not be presented as facts.
 
thethe said:
And then we will find out if that was a worthwhile contract the next 6-8 years. I think it could definitely go either way.
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The Braves will eventually have to pony up on someone like Heyward or Justin if they want to being any kind of serious contender.
 
gilesfan said:
Such as Roy Clark left because Frank Wren was a big meanie?
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When an organizational lifer who learned the ropes with the team leaves during a new GM's tenure and then immediately comes back after said GM is fired I think I have very good reason to believe that was the reason. I've heard some other things as well but that isn't worth mentioning here because it will be dismissed.
 
thewupk said:
The Braves will eventually have to pony up on someone like Heyward or Justin if they want to being any kind of serious contender.
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I think the Braves will pony up for someone who can consistently hit a baseball. I would have extended Upton. I would hope they attempted to do so.
 
thethe said:
I think the Braves will pony up for someone who can consistently hit a baseball. I would have extended Upton. I would hope they attempted to do so.
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I think BJ killed us on JUp. It can't be comfortable to play for an org where your brother is the albatross. BJ's contract is a big reason for all of these trades.

Hard for me to see him signing on long term knowing we'd pay someone 25 million to take his brother. He's a person, not just a baseball player.

I'm hoping that we somehow land some college hitter who can get to the majors in a year or two like Wood did......I don't think it will happen, but I'm going to hope.
 
thewupk said:
Justin Upton is not a consistent hitter.
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More consistent than Heyward in terms of overall production year to year.

Heyward will be paid primarily for his potential upside, defense, and baserunning. All of those diminish quickly after 30. No thank you.
 
Russ2dollas said:
I think BJ killed us on JUp. It can't be comfortable to play for an org where your brother is the albatross. BJ's contract is a big reason for all of these trades.

Hard for me to see him signing on long term knowing we'd pay someone 25 million to take his brother. He's a person, not just a baseball player.

I'm hoping that we somehow land some college hitter who can get to the majors in a year or two like Wood did......I don't think it will happen, but I'm going to hope.
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Yeah, thats probably the reason why he wasn't extended.
 
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