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Imagine trying to defend the PnR? It would be an absolute joke. Teams would score 60 points in the paint every night against them.

Melo held opponents to a 13.6 PER last year and 12.6 this year....but hey, keep believing the crap the media spins you!
 
Melo held opponents to a 13.6 PER last year and 12.6 this year....but hey, keep believing the crap the media spins you!

And keep believe that stats mean something without context. Melo never ever guards the opposing best player unless its in transition and the matchups get switched.
 
So who do you sign at PF? And what type of players would you surround them with?

Purely hypothetical.

Yeah, can't wait to see this listing of defensive PF's that will also help space the floor so the offense doesn't get bogged down with two bigs that can't shoot from 15 feet and out.
 
Melo held opponents to a 13.6 PER last year and 12.6 this year....but hey, keep believing the crap the media spins you!

Melo isn't a good defender. Come on now.

You use defensive win shares frequently. That doesn't shed a very good light on Melo. And this completely ignores the fact that he's never been a strong off ball defender (and justifiably so considering he has to carry the offense).
 
Korver holds opposing SG to a 9.8 PER and SF to a 11.7PEr

Kawai Leonard hodls opposing SF to a 12.6 PER and PF to a 12.9 PEr

Clearly...Undisputably, Korver is a superior defender than Leonard. No further discussion necessary.
 
So who do you sign at PF? And what type of players would you surround them with?

Purely hypothetical.

DeAndre
Seraphin
Robin Lopez
Koufos
Biyombo
Wright
Millsap

And there's a ton of other smaller guys that can play 15-20 mpg that fill the "rim protector" role.

Not drafting a 19 year old with Tim Duncan's ceiling on O because he's 19 and is a below average defender is dumb. His a big body and will clog up the lane and block shots, get him in the NBA with coaching 24/7 and he works on his footwork and studies film to pick up on PnRs.
 
Korver holds opposing SG to a 9.8 PER and SF to a 11.7PEr

Kawai Leonard hodls opposing SF to a 12.6 PER and PF to a 12.9 PEr

Clearly...Undisputably, Korver is a superior defender than Leonard. No further discussion necessary.

Did I say Melo was a good defender? No, I posted the stats to prove that Melo isn't as bad as you're making him out to be, he's not a Boozer or Kanter on D. Does he take plays off, of course because he carries the weight on the entire O but he's an average to slightly above average defender as a whole.
 
I would assume he has more connections than you and probably knows a LITTLE bit more than you. Also you should probably never call anyone an idiot.

No **** he has more connections than me, still doesnt change the fact that trading KD unless they're getting a superstar player back in return is beyond ridiculous and stupid.

And yes, he's an idiot for saying that, dont care what you think.
 
DeAndre
Seraphin
Robin Lopez
Koufos
Biyombo
Wright
Millsap

And there's a ton of other smaller guys that can play 15-20 mpg that fill the "rim protector" role.

Not drafting a 19 year old with Tim Duncan's ceiling on O because he's 19 and is a below average defender is dumb. His a big body and will clog up the lane and block shots, get him in the NBA with coaching 24/7 and he works on his footwork and studies film to pick up on PnRs.

Good luck with offensive spacing with anyone other than Milsap. Then if you have Milsap good luck ever defending the rim.
 
Rim protection stuff again lol.

I can see the argument for taking Okafor but if they dont have a rim protector, they're gonna get TORCHED in the paint.
 
Did I say Melo was a good defender? No, I posted the stats to prove that Melo isn't as bad as you're making him out to be, he's not a Boozer or Kanter on D. Does he take plays off, of course because he carries the weight on the entire O but he's an average to slightly above average defender as a whole.

It doesn't matter if Melo is a bad defender. Defense at his position is much less important than defense at one of the big positions. Having Melo actually sets it up so that it makes MORE sense to have a defensive minded center and not the other way around. Melo is best at hte PF position. You saw that when they started playing him next to Chandler. That is how Melo should be utilized because he is beefy enough to guard a PF on the block.
 
This is true. No disagreements.

But the issue is (and this is the basic assumption) if Okafor is a zero on defense and plays center then you have to find a stretch 4 that can defend the pick and roll (like a Draymond Green) or have some stellar perimeter defenders like what Memphis has. Even still you will never have the defensive ceiling as a team with a true rim protector.

Or you could try to out score everyone 130-120.

There are different ways to build your team, but some ways are better and realistic than others.

Who has daid Okafpr cant play the 4?
 
It's an asset. I definitely agree. But if you are asking whether I want to settle for an Al Jefferson at center then I'll probably pass.

I don't watch Towns either so I don't know about him either. I'm talking more in generalities of the value of rim protectors.

Okafor will be a ton better than Al Jefferson. There arent many (if any) big man with the offensove skill of him at his age in the last decade.
 
Those are only rim protectors? How does Atlanta protect rum?

Collectively Milsap/Horford do an ok job.

Those are the only elite rim protectors at the PF position. Maybe Favors as well.

The point is that if you have a bad defensive center (Kanter) then you need a top defensive PF to compensate and you need that PF to be able to space the floor so the offense doesn't suck.
 
Collectively Milsap/Horford do an ok job.

Those are the only elite rim protectors at the PF position. Maybe Favors as well.

The point is that if you have a bad defensive center (Kanter) then you need a top defensive PF to compensate and you need that PF to be able to space the floor so the offense doesn't suck.

Does Memphis offense suck? Clippers?

Does Favors really spread floor for Utah?
 
I believe off the top of my head that the wizards have a pretty good defense. They have zero rim protection and 2 clogs at PF/C
 
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