2016 Presidential Primaries [ SUPER TUESDAY | 3-1-'16]

goldfly said:
destroying something and then saying the next guy ****ed it up just as bad by trying his way of fixing it is insane
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"But he started it!" *face reddens* *fists clench*

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Nah, not owning up to your own mistakes is juvenille as ****.
 
Hawk said:
"But he started it!" *face reddens* *fists clench*

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Nah, not owning up to your own mistakes is juvenille as ****.
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i haven't said Obama hasn't made mistakes etc

i am saying and have said it is crazy to say that those mistakes are equal to the mistake of actually ever starting it.

your part never evens comes into play if the 1st part ever happened

not sure what is hard to grasp with

to quote a song:

I guess you have to have a problem if you want to invent a contraption
First you cause a train wreck then they put me in traction
Well, first came an action and then a reaction
But you can't switch 'em 'round for your own satisfaction
Well, you burnt my house down then got mad at my reaction
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Well, you can't take the effect and make it the cause
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Hawk said:
"But he started it!" *face reddens* *fists clench*

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Nah, not owning up to your own mistakes is juvenille as ****.
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You know, not all that long ago it seem, I remember hearing Gr8 and Tomahawking4life lamenting what sorry SOBs Dems were for blaming W for various woes we were facing as a nation. Then one day Gr8 said he could very logically and legitimately take every single problem blamed on W and pin in on Bill Clinton and Toma4 gave him a hearty "Hell Yeah"!!! We all believe what we want to believe, wouldn't you say?
 
Oklahomahawk said:
You know, not all that long ago it seem, I remember hearing Gr8 and Tomahawking4life lamenting what sorry SOBs Dems were for blaming W for various woes we were facing as a nation. Then one day Gr8 said he could very logically and legitimately take every single problem blamed on W and pin in on Bill Clinton and Toma4 gave him a hearty "Hell Yeah"!!! We all believe what we want to believe, wouldn't you say?
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So at what point do we finally stop gazing in the rear view and finally begin to take the necessary measures to fix the problems at hand?
 
The last time a Republican lived in the White House he lit this match
Bush was warned by Colin Powell
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According to Washington Post journalist Bob Woodward, U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell cited the rule in the summer of 2002 when warning President George W. Bush of the consequences of military action in Iraq:

'You are going to be the proud owner of 25 million people,' he told the president. 'You will own all their hopes, aspirations, and problems. You'll own it all.' Privately, Powell and Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage called this the Pottery Barn rule: You break it, you own it.
 
Hawk said:
So at what point do we finally stop gazing in the rear view and finally begin to take the necessary measures to fix the problems at hand?
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I would guess when people stop saying things like "Or does it just hurt too bad to read that Obama ****ed Iraq just as hard as Bush did?"
 
i won't get into the ISIS like talk from Ted Cruz's dad about his son at this moment

but i do have to laugh that Ted Cruz hates "Obamacare" so much and will repeal every word of it that he is having to sign up for it. way to show them how terrible it is
 
goldfly said:
i won't get into the ISIS like talk from Ted Cruz's dad about his son at this moment

but i do have to laugh that Ted Cruz hates "Obamacare" so much and will repeal every word of it that he is having to sign up for it. way to show them how terrible it is
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I mean.. to be fair - he has to follow the law. As far as I know, unless you're getting healthcare provided by employers, you have to go through the exchange, right?
 
Hawk said:
So at what point do we finally stop gazing in the rear view and finally begin to take the necessary measures to fix the problems at hand?
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You REALLY want my opinion? If so then I'd say never. As long as Dems blame Repubs rather than take responsibility and Repubs blame Dems rather than take responsibility and their Kool-Aid drinking minions keep slurping it down why should they/we? I was flipping through the radio channels a few years back and it locked on our old pal Rush. Now this was after the time when only the most Glenn Beck crazy (ie batsh*t crazy) Repub supporter would still believe there were WMDs in Iraq, and Rush said, "We've gotta move past that". Oh so NOW we've gotta move past that, now that WE led the nation into a war that didn't need to be, one that has destabilized, rather than stabilized an entire region that was already akin to a blind, drunk, nervous, juggler with severe muscle spasms, juggling (instead of his usual bright red rubber balls) orange sized containers of nitro glycerin. Now even if W/Cheney REALLY believed the WMDs were there or if this was just for all the reasons most of us suspect it was for, the Repubs told us they were there, we believed them, we followed them. They were wrong. How many conservatives do you know who STILL won't admit they were wrong (in the very best scenario). Is this moving forward?

Remember what sturg told us, that Ron Paul told him in 2012 during the Repub primaries, that the Repubs wouldn't do anything about issues like abortion because even if they were able to do anything about it, then the American people with this microwave oven attention spans would then ask "what have you done for me lately"? Issues like abortion are much better rallying cries to get the voters out than problems to solve. Is that moving forward?

No my friend, nobody's moving forward, there's no money in it and besides that everybody's too busy looking at the other guy who is also not moving forward and blaming him instead of taking the lead. Everybody is too busy getting richer and richer at our expense to give a sh*t. Too much trying to be Reagan instead of just standing up for what's right its own merits. Moving forward is hard and has almost zero following. Everybody is way too happy living in their own various partisan worlds.
 
sturg33 said:
I mean.. to be fair - he has to follow the law. As far as I know, unless you're getting healthcare provided by employers, you have to go through the exchange, right?
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i would think with him being a patriot

he would know that it is his duty to not follow unjust laws
 
goldfly said:
yes

and what was the thing that was started that led to ISIL being able to spread into parts of an unstable iraq cause it's leader (who was a bad guy) was taken out out of power?
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Except ISIL would never have existed if Obama hadn't soundly ****ed Iraq.

Like I said, this is happening NOW (and has contemporary implications elsewhere [see: Afghanistan])
 
Hawk said:
Except ISIL would never have existed if Obama hadn't soundly ****ed Iraq.

Like I said, this is happening NOW (and has contemporary implications elsewhere [see: Afghanistan])
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:cheers

i don't see how you can honestly sit there and say everything that happened only because someone started an unjust war somewhere (no matter how bad they have handled it or their ideas to "fix" it have gone) is just as bad as the person who actually started the path that way for no good reason

but i am tired of going around in circles
 
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