More apeaceful Protesting in Baltimore

AerchAngel said:
Oh if you write 1000's of dollars of worthless checks, you don't need to be put in jail.

What about Bernie Madoff and what he did, since it was violent, he should not go to jail?

Or what about a person taking a computer out of the store and eventually get caught, after stealing 20 of them and making tons of money on hot stuff?

Come on with that bullschit about all non-violent crime should not be put in jail. The worse criminals in the world are white collared criminals bilking idiots for untold sums of money.
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You're talking about theft of property which he was only arrested for once. Twice if you count possession of stolen property. Totally different than selling drugs to willing users. If he was walking around pricking people with the stuff then you'd have a case or stealing their money then giving them sympathy crack there's a case.
 
zitothebrave said:
Totally different than selling drugs to willing users. If he was walking around pricking people with the stuff then you'd have a case or stealing their money then giving them sympathy crack there's a case.
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Um, what?

Regardless of your personal position on the consumption and distribution of narcotics, they are illegal (for reasons you clearly misunderstand).

And this dude was busted for violating those laws more times in the past half-decade than I have fingers. That's a problematic trend indicative of an individual who possesses a wanton, wholesale disrespect not only for our nation's laws, but also the people that enforce them.
 
And in the grand scheme, who cares. My belief is simple, he was yet another casualty of our prison industrial complex society.
 
zitothebrave said:
A sad oversimplification is that man arrested for multiple drug possession and sale is somehow not worthy of life as is implied by some here.
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jpx7 said:
The state's repeatedly demonstrated wanton disregard for the lives and bodies of black and brown folk in this country.
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I don't disagree that is the perception, especially given recent events, but you are going to have a hard time finding any sort of legitimate empirical evidence to back that claim up.

Is police brutality a problem that needs to be addressed? Absolutely.
 
Hawk said:
I don't disagree that is the perception, especially given recent events, but you are going to have a hard time finding any sort of legitimate empirical evidence to back that claim up.

Is police brutality a problem that needs to be addressed? Absolutely.
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A widely publicized report in October 2014 by ProPublica, a leading investigative and data journalism outlet, concluded that young black males are 21 times more likely to be shot by police than their white counterparts: “The 1,217 deadly police shootings from 2010 to 2012 captured in the federal data show that blacks, age 15 to 19, were killed at a rate of 31.17 per million, while just 1.47 per million white males in that age range died at the hands of police.”

http://journalistsresource.org/stud...ce-brutality-race-research-review-statistics#
 
zitothebrave said:
A widely publicized report in October 2014 by ProPublica, a leading investigative and data journalism outlet, concluded that young black males are 21 times more likely to be shot by police than their white counterparts: “The 1,217 deadly police shootings from 2010 to 2012 captured in the federal data show that blacks, age 15 to 19, were killed at a rate of 31.17 per million, while just 1.47 per million white males in that age range died at the hands of police.”

http://journalistsresource.org/stud...ce-brutality-race-research-review-statistics#
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From the same article:

FBI Director James B. Comey stated the following in a remarkable February 2015 speech:

Not long after riots broke out in Ferguson late last summer, I asked my staff to tell me how many people shot by police were African-American in this country. I wanted to see trends. I wanted to see information. They couldn’t give it to me, and it wasn’t their fault. Demographic data regarding officer-involved shootings is not consistently reported to us through our Uniform Crime Reporting Program. Because reporting is voluntary, our data is incomplete and therefore, in the aggregate, unreliable.

I recently listened to a thoughtful big city police chief express his frustration with that lack of reliable data. He said he didn’t know whether the Ferguson police shot one person a week, one a year, or one a century, and that in the absence of good data, “all we get are ideological thunderbolts, when what we need are ideological agnostics who use information to try to solve problems.” He’s right.

The first step to understanding what is really going on in our communities and in our country is to gather more and better data related to those we arrest, those we confront for breaking the law and jeopardizing public safety, and those who confront us. “Data” seems a dry and boring word but, without it, we cannot understand our world and make it better.

How can we address concerns about “use of force,” how can we address concerns about officer-involved shootings if we do not have a reliable grasp on the demographics and circumstances of those incidents? We simply must improve the way we collect and analyze data to see the true nature of what’s happening in all of our communities.

The FBI tracks and publishes the number of “justifiable homicides” reported by police departments. But, again, reporting by police departments is voluntary and not all departments participate. That means we cannot fully track the number of incidents in which force is used by police, or against police, including non-fatal encounters, which are not reported at all.
 
This quote needs to be the mantra for this entire thread: “all we get are ideological thunderbolts, when what we need are ideological agnostics who use information to try to solve problems.”
 
I linked to that article for other content.

Here's from the source they quoted

"There is, then, value in what the data can show while accepting, and accounting for, its limitations. Indeed, while the absolute numbers are problematic, a comparison between white and black victims shows important trends. Our analysis included dividing the number of people of each race killed by police by the number of people of that race living in the country at the time, to produce two different rates: the risk of getting killed by police if you are white and if you are black."

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"One way of appreciating that stark disparity, ProPublica's analysis shows, is to calculate how many more whites over those three years would have had to have been killed for them to have been at equal risk. The number is jarring – 185, more than one per week."

I severely doubt that there are a massive number of unreported killing of white people by the police. Of course there is an issue with the absolutes of the statistics. But there is a thing called a trend. We can predict presidential results based on a small number of precincts reporting based on demographics and voting trends.
 
zitothebrave said:
I severely doubt that there are a massive number of unreported killing of white people by the police. Of course there is an issue with the absolutes of the statistics. But there is a thing called a trend. We can predict presidential results based on a small number of precincts reporting based on demographics and voting trends.
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Surely you understand the inherent multitude of problems in trying to construct a trend-chart from one restricted demo study.

Then again, maybe not, since the order of the day seems to be leaping at conclusions without taking full account of the facts and circumstances.
 
goldfly said:
again, irrelevant
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Relevant, if innocent, you talk to to the po po an live, you run, you take that risk of getting capped or in this case beaten to death.

Cops should be punished, lost of badge at a minimum, 2nd hand murder at a maximum. But this guy brought it upon himself and if he did what any sane, responsible and upstanding adult would do is do what the police say.
 
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