Peraza debuts for Dodgers

A couple comments from Kiley McDaniel on Peraza from his chat today:

Comment From Magic Jonestown
What can we expect from Jose Peraza ROS?

Kiley McDaniel: Speed, defensive ability, can bunt and slash but doesn’t have a great approach, in part because he could always speed his way on base in the minors
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Comment From Ned Coletti
Thoughts on Peraza as a shortstop? Seems like his allergy for walking isn’t a big issue if he gives you solid to plus defense at short with some hollow BA. 2nd part of question: any idea if that is Friedman/Zaidi’s plan?

Kiley McDaniel: I think they saw a chance to acquire depth at the up the middle positions with positional versaility and speed. Like Austin Barnes and Kike Hernandez and all the depth arms they keep trading for/signing/drafting that can basically never be impact guys. They clearly are trying to leverage the money advantage for quantity and quality. They have no excuse to have a bullpen meltdown like 2014 with these resources, so you can see why.
Peraza is emergency SS defensively, but that’s still some value versus a 2B-only guy. He’s fast enough that he’ll likely be fine in CF.
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http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/kiley-mcdaniel-prospects-chat-81115/
 
Heyward said:
Fair point, but Shields has gone 7-8 straight years of 200+ IP, that is a TOR/ace (not saying he is now), until Wood does that consistently, he'll be in that mix.

He hasnt yet.

All the top guys go 200+ IP, Wood doesnt, period.
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So are you arguing he has as much trade value as Wood or not?
 
Heyward said:
Fair point, but Shields has gone 7-8 straight years of 200+ IP, that is a TOR/ace (not saying he is now), until Wood does that consistently, he'll be in that mix.

He hasnt yet.

All the top guys go 200+ IP, Wood doesnt, period.
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That's the past. Is Wood better than Shields going forward since that's what actually matters? Who would you rather have the next 3 years? Who would you rather have the next 3 years at their respective salaries?
 
thewupk said:
That's the past. Is Wood better than Shields going forward since that's what actually matters? Who would you rather have the next 3 years? Who would you rather have the next 3 years at their respective salaries?
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Well there is no cap, so screw it, Shields.
 
sturg33 said:
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Well you've gone back and forth like 30 times... but as a reminder - James Shields just passed through waivers - meaning nobody wanted him
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Yes, because of his salary.

His contract is like 3/63 the next 3 years, no one is taking that even in an uncapped league.
 
Heyward said:
Yes, because of his salary.

His contract is like 3/63 the next 3 years, no one is taking that even in an uncapped league.
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You do realize that the point like 4 pages ago was that Wood had a lot more trade value than James Shields... don't you?
 
Heyward said:
Yes, because of his salary.

His contract is like 3/63 the next 3 years, no one is taking that even in an uncapped league.
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So you think Shields is better, even in an uncapped league, than Wood...yet it's understandable that no one even wants him on their team because of his contract, even in an uncapped league.
 
Heyward said:
He probably does but it's not like he's netting an elite prospect.
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:facepalm:

:facepalm:

:facepalm:

Is Wood more valuable than Shields or not? That's all this comes down to. You've said both multiple times now.

Wood was a significant asset in a trade. Nobody was willing to take on Shields for absolutely nothing. It's clear who has more value.
 
smootness said:
So you think Shields is better, even in an uncapped league, than Wood...yet it's understandable that no one even wants him on their team because of his contract, even in an uncapped league.
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Every team has limits even in an uncapped league.

Again, Wood probably has more value but its not really saying much when you factor in money.
 
Heyward said:
Fair point, but Shields has gone 7-8 straight years of 200+ IP, that is a TOR/ace (not saying he is now), until Wood does that consistently, he'll be in that mix.

He hasnt yet.

All the top guys go 200+ IP, Wood doesnt, period.
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How the hell is Wood supposed to have logged 200 IP when he only had 24 starts last year and has only 22 this year?

:FrediWut:

Not saying Wood goes as deep into as the Aces of the league or anything, but if you average his numbers this year over 34 starts he'd have slightly over 200 IP.

And if you gave him better defensive catchers/pitcher framers than we've had the past two years he'd probably easily be way over 200 IP. It's makes it much harder to keep the pitch counts down when you have some of the worst pitcher framers in the league catching your pitches.
 
yeezus said:
No. Alex Wood has not been comparable to a guy who's thrown over 215 IP every year since 2007. Nope, he has not been. His WAR is somehow a full win higher than Shields' this year despite practically the same ERA, worse xFIP, and better FIP. Isn't WAR supposed to be not great for pitchers?

But yeah. The suggestion that Wood is comparable to Shields or Hamels (not zito, someone else) is kind of a joke. One of the biggest things a pitcher does is pitch deep into games. Shields is among the best at this, and has been remarkably consistent since 2007. Wood has a long way to go to sniff that kind of impact.
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Wood is comparable to Shields over th elast 2 seasons.

Sure Shields goes deeper, but Wood comes into the game with essentailly and equivalent xFIP to Shields, sure Shields goes deeper, but it's not massive, it's 6.4 IP per start vs 6.2 .Not a massive difference. Less than 10 innings per year.

Sure there's value to Shields in terms of what he's proven, but even if we remove a third of Shields's value for that still makes Wood worth about 4/50 on the open market if you compare them in that regard.
 
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