Yet Another Mass Shooting

yeezus said:
Whose feet am I lying blame at besides the people (/politicians) who actively fight against sensible laws being made?
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Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but your general attitude towards the prayer giver seems to be they do nothing and that they need to join in the outrage if they want to make a difference. My point is there isn't likely a tangible difference between me saying a prayer in my heart and you getting mad at people on the Internet. And that's from an atheist perspective. The believer at least figures he has a shot at making a change with a prayer. Yelling at people on the Internet just makes people want to load up their personal armories out of spite. Is that your goal?

I'm for limiting access to firearms. I generally abhor the obsession that the Right has with protecting their right to something that is a toy for most of them. With that said, I find gun control to be far down the list of contributing factors to mass shootings.
 
yeezus said:
Oh, is that what I said?

Again, show me where I said they support mass shootings, please.

Their lack of desire for actions to be taken to try and prevent this in the future is alarming.

And it's curious to claim to be "pro-life" by being against abortion, but advocate against actions to attempt to make the frequency of mass shootings go down, or support going to war on flimsy bull****, which leads to our people getting killed, just to flex our nuts. These lives are far more developed in every way than early-term abortion lives. But those are the lives they fight actively for. Actively fighting to defund PP (which will likely lead to more abortions in the long run), but thinking our current gun laws are working is just plainly stupid.
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It's a silly, fallacitical point to bring up. That's a gross exaggeration of every Comservative principle wrapped in a beautiful hyperbole bow.

Why even try to tie PP into this debate? The only relatable issue between the two is your admittance that life begins at conception which basically makes your underlying point "come on... It's just a baby, bro." Otherwise, it's a pointless hot take from your side.
 
Runnin said:
Libertarians would not like the Japanese system. It reminds one of kindergarten or living in a zoo. To that analogy, America is the jungle.
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Worse than a jungle.

Living all of the world, by comparison we are a jungle and then some. So many issues you can't just grasp. My ex wife said, your country is different to diverse, to daunting. I believe it. She left me because she was homesick, wanting the simplicity of a simple life in her country. I did not fight it because I respect here opinion and what she want in life, something Democrats don't understand. It is their way or no way. Yes Republicans will harp on religion but they won't sue you are persecute you for your feelings. They might prevent it and that is where it stops.
 
I believe was Bernie that says we should be trying to live more like Norway...

You have a greater chance of dying in a mass shooting in Finland, Switzerland or Norway than in the U.S.
We have more incidents but only because of our larger population. More people in those countries have been killed in mass shootings over the past 10 years than in the US per 100,000 in population.
 
We are a culturally diverse country with a large and spread out population with a historical love of individual freedom. I think it is worth thinking about how other cultures and nations handle this issue, yet not naively think we are talking apples to apples.
 
BedellBrave said:
We are a culturally diverse country with a large and spread out population with a historical love of individual freedom. I think it is worth thinking about how other cultures and nations handle this issue, yet not naively think we are talking apples to apples.
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This is so true and another reason why guns and automatic weapons should be strictly controlled. As bad as it is now, it could easily get a lot worse.
 
^^^ And there are two angles there to consider - those shows which glamorize things and the shows and news which are basically all about fear-mongering.
 
This now makes two major mass killings of Christians. The Charleston massacre is well labelled as racist, but I don't think we should dismiss the fact that those were Christians targeted. This one in Oregon looks at this point to be clearly a targeting of Christians. Christian martyrs - real ones - here in the good old US of A.
 
BedellBrave said:
This now makes two major mass killings of Christians. The Charleston massacre is well labelled as racist, but I don't think we should dismiss the fact that those were Christians targeted. This one in Oregon looks at this point to be clearly a targeting of Christians. Christian martyrs - real ones - here in the good old US of A.
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That's stretching it. These were college kids killed by a crazy man. Next somebody will say they are Saints.
 
If reports are correct, he asked them to state their religion. He murdered those who said they were Christians. How in the world is that a stretch? The mental state of the killer doesn't negate martyrdom.

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BedellBrave said:
If reports are correct, he asked them to state their religion. He murdered those who said they were Christians. How in the world is that a stretch? The mental state of the killer doesn't negate martyrdom.
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Perhaps. But that word is overused. You can call them whatever you want, but they were victims of a crazy man with a gun.
 
Runnin said:
Perhaps. But that word is overused. You can call them whatever you want, but they were victims of a crazy man with a gun.
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The killer probably thinks he's a martyr "for his cause". Timmothy McVeigh thought so. Same as the 9-11 terrorists. The firemen responders were martyrs. Everybody's a martyr.

They're all just dead.
 
Runnin said:
The killer probably thinks he's a martyr "for his cause". Timmothy McVeigh thought so. Same as the 9-11 terrorists. The firemen responders were martyrs. Everybody's a martyr.

They're all just dead.
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But goodness Runnin. This is the classic definition of martyrdom. The ones who said they were Christians - and think of what it took for them to say that - were murdered. The ones who weren't or said they weren't weren't. Please don't let the fact that the word is so horribly used in other cases make you belittle when it is exceedingly legitimate to use.
 
BedellBrave said:
But goodness Runnin. This is the classic definition of martyrdom. The ones who said they were Christians - and think of what it took for them to say that - were murdered. The ones who weren't or said they weren't weren't. Please don't let the fact that the word is so horribly used in other cases make you belittle when it is exceedingly legitimate to use.
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So they are martyrs (lower case 'm'), and what good is that? It's an unspeakable tragedy, same as the one before the one after. You seem eager to use that term; why are they different from other innocent deaths?

I think throwing that word around is unnecessary. How many people were killed this week because of who they were and what they believed? Do they get to be martyrs? How about those people in the hospital in Afghanistan?

Here are two words I wish we could put in the proverbial grave: martyr and prophet.
 
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