Gunman At Planned Parenthood
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57Brave
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Once again you are missing the point.
This is not about Obama or your opinion of Obama.It is about you and your fellow travelers encouraging and condoning domestic terrorism
Y'all?
Oh good gravy. I'm not going to go all Sturg on you, but get a grip and follow the script Pappy!
I'm just curious; has Rachel Maddow's Facebook admin posted any long term trend stats on the public's opinion of abortion since Roe v. Wade?
Those might be something you want to look into, it helps explain why people care more about abortion now than they did 30 years ago. Funny, but I guess just inexplicably random.
I mean, you can call it terrorism if it makes you feel better.
I don't see a clear political motive from the angle of the perpetrator of yesterday's tragedy (nor do the police, as of yet) -- in fact, the only politics I see here are the ones that you and your sordid ilk are attempting to force feed into the discourse.
Term of endearment, my friend.
57Brave
Well-known member
-- you are being purposely thick
why else if not for political purposes?
Do you think it was a property dispute ?
Or their dog wouldn't quit barking at night?
Or his wife was cheating with one of the occupants?
A crime of passion ?
pretty clear cut
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noun
1.
the use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
2.
the state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
3.
a terroristic method of governing or of resisting a government.
Actually, Dear (the murderer) was arrested in the past for animal cruelty, being a peeping Tom, eavesdropping.
There are a ton of plausible scenarios here, including political motivation -- but I'm not sure why you need to feel to pigeonhole yourself in here.
57Brave
Well-known member
and this is a person that subscribes to your cause ?
shares your world view ?
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Don't know why you would offer that information - hardly puts your argument in a good light
BedellBrave
It's OVER 5,000!
I'm just curious, what argument do you actually think I'm making here?
BedellBrave
It's OVER 5,000!
57Brave
Well-known member
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news...w&hootPostID=955a227a0068143a01a28b70da350b60
" He also mentioned President Barack Obama in statements. "
"Anderson said that as with ISIS, anti-abortion terrorism tends to draw out individuals who were already unstable and looking for a cause or an excuse to become violent. "Whether you’re talking about extreme right, extreme left, religious, or ISIS, every extremist entity attracts people who are on the fringes themselves who determine that they should personally take action," Anderson explained. "They are on the edge, and in their minds this gives them a way to become a person of importance."
" He also mentioned President Barack Obama in statements. "
"Anderson said that as with ISIS, anti-abortion terrorism tends to draw out individuals who were already unstable and looking for a cause or an excuse to become violent. "Whether you’re talking about extreme right, extreme left, religious, or ISIS, every extremist entity attracts people who are on the fringes themselves who determine that they should personally take action," Anderson explained. "They are on the edge, and in their minds this gives them a way to become a person of importance."
57Brave
Well-known member
" Anderson was cautious in her analysis of the Colorado Springs incident, noting that Dear's exact motive is still unclear. But she pointed to a rise in threats and attacks against Planned Parenthood since David Daleiden's group circulated the CMP videos, and said that the ensuing debates, government inquiries, and media focus on Planned Parenthood created an "enormous public response."
http://www.dailydot.com/politics/history-anti-abortion-terrorism-violence-united-states/
http://www.dailydot.com/politics/history-anti-abortion-terrorism-violence-united-states/
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
I know looks can be deceiving, but he doesn't look particularly sane. We have to do something about background checks for the mentally ill, but the loophole in that is that in order to be declared mentally ill, you have to undergo an assessment and my guess is for those who have never had a run-in with the law, they won't seek the assessment.
Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
To me this is a debate that can't be won on either side. I've debated, even argued with strict gun control folks, the kind who literally cannot believe/accept that all guns cannot be collected and thrown away and/or stored somewhere securely. They just can't accept that. They also can't or won't accept that bad people who want to commit a crime will balk at the notion of committing one more by stealing a gun if necessary. Some of them were even behind the DUMAS judge in CA who ruled that the part of the application form that you have to fill out to buy a gun, the part where you have to confirm that you aren't a convicted felon, was a violation of that applications 5th amendment rights against self incrimination. Do any of those sound reasonable to you all?
On the other hand I don't believe 2nd amendment rights, or any other rights for that matter, are absolute. The right to drive a car must be earned through study and practice to pass the written test and driving test. The first amendment right to free speech is not absolute either, ask Mr. Schenck from the early 1920s who wasn't allowed to mail anti-war literature during WWI, or if you want to go nonsense in the opposite direction, the Westboro Baptist Church numbnuts can disrupt the funeral of lost loved ones, including those who gave their lives to guarantee them the right to be nimrods.
The right to own a gun should involve training, study and practice IMO. How to load a gun, where the damned safety is located, how to operate one, how to treat one, how to carry and store one safely, how to make sure children can't just walk in a grab the old .45 and take it to school for "show and tell" or to get some payback on your sibling for borrowing your ipod or x-box without their permission.
What's the worst one of all? I'll guarantee you ALL that at least one or two people knew this effing murderer and knew he was a couple of doing something horrible like this but what were they to do? But what happens if they turned him in as "acting suspicious" or "being capable of something like this", the cops wouldn't be able to do anything about it, and if anyone actually got into trouble for this it would be the people who "slandered his character". The only way to stop stuff like this is to create laws that allow us to spy on each other and turn in each other for what crimes may be committed in the future and we all know what that would lead to, secret police, internment camps because the jails wouldn't be big enough to hold everyone, etc. Does anybody want to go there?
On the other hand I don't believe 2nd amendment rights, or any other rights for that matter, are absolute. The right to drive a car must be earned through study and practice to pass the written test and driving test. The first amendment right to free speech is not absolute either, ask Mr. Schenck from the early 1920s who wasn't allowed to mail anti-war literature during WWI, or if you want to go nonsense in the opposite direction, the Westboro Baptist Church numbnuts can disrupt the funeral of lost loved ones, including those who gave their lives to guarantee them the right to be nimrods.
The right to own a gun should involve training, study and practice IMO. How to load a gun, where the damned safety is located, how to operate one, how to treat one, how to carry and store one safely, how to make sure children can't just walk in a grab the old .45 and take it to school for "show and tell" or to get some payback on your sibling for borrowing your ipod or x-box without their permission.
What's the worst one of all? I'll guarantee you ALL that at least one or two people knew this effing murderer and knew he was a couple of doing something horrible like this but what were they to do? But what happens if they turned him in as "acting suspicious" or "being capable of something like this", the cops wouldn't be able to do anything about it, and if anyone actually got into trouble for this it would be the people who "slandered his character". The only way to stop stuff like this is to create laws that allow us to spy on each other and turn in each other for what crimes may be committed in the future and we all know what that would lead to, secret police, internment camps because the jails wouldn't be big enough to hold everyone, etc. Does anybody want to go there?
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
Good post. The only gun control that would be airtight--or at least semi-airtight--would be to ban all guns and make it illegal to own one. I don't propose that because I think it's really a vast overreach and penalizes the responsible. But I agree with you completely that no right is 100% inviolable. I honestly don't know if there is a solution to the gun problem (if it can be labelled that). I do think that stiffening penalties for committing a crime with a firearm might help at the margins, but I even wonder about that.
57Brave
Well-known member
you don't ban ownership of anything -- limit the supply at the manufacturers level
Driving up the price kinda the Chris Rock theory - that if a bullet costs $5000 (exaggerated) - one might think twice about how they use that bullet.
Supply and demand.
Weapons are cheap because there are so many.
3 reasons we don't have a functioning civilian weapon policy
1) The Gun Lobby
2) The Gun Lobby
3) The Gun Lobby
This shooting brings out many ugly issues confronting 21st century USA including:
Weapons rights
Women's rights
Civil rights
Mental issues
The question is being rightly asked, why is this guy taken alive and Dylan Roof treated to Burger King while a black youth is shot because he "might" have a knife.
Driving up the price kinda the Chris Rock theory - that if a bullet costs $5000 (exaggerated) - one might think twice about how they use that bullet.
Supply and demand.
Weapons are cheap because there are so many.
3 reasons we don't have a functioning civilian weapon policy
1) The Gun Lobby
2) The Gun Lobby
3) The Gun Lobby
This shooting brings out many ugly issues confronting 21st century USA including:
Weapons rights
Women's rights
Civil rights
Mental issues
The question is being rightly asked, why is this guy taken alive and Dylan Roof treated to Burger King while a black youth is shot because he "might" have a knife.