Around Baseball Offseason Thread

Heyward said:
Well if they get Maeda, who is Wood better than in that list?

Can always use him in the pen and/or as the 6th SP incase of injury.
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I still think Ryu is never going to be the same and McCarthy won't be ready until mid season at best. Wood will be the insurance policy if they get Maeda.. who is also unproven.
 
Dodgers get Maeda it looks like per Heyman.

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Hearing from a baseball source, kenta maeda and dodgers are in agreement. No word on $. @DfineNrmLC all over this one
 
Heyward said:
Dodgers get Maeda it looks like per Heyman.

‏@JonHeymanCBS
Hearing from a baseball source, kenta maeda and dodgers are in agreement. No word on $. @DfineNrmLC all over this one
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I think the Dodgers would be smart to trade Alex Wood to a team that values him more than they do (similar to what they did with Peraza). Otherwise, they seem headed down a path of using him as a bullpen piece if their Plan A comes to fruition and there other starters are healthy.
 
dak said:
I think the Dodgers would be smart to trade Alex Wood to a team that values him more than they do (similar to what they did with Peraza). Otherwise, they seem headed down a path of using him as a bullpen piece if their Plan A comes to fruition and there other starters are healthy.
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They do have some trade chips if they want a bat or a backend bullpen piece, Andrew Miller would be a good get depending what NY wants.
 
If details below are confirmed, that is one heck of an interesting contract and a very nice strategy by LAD to minimize downside risk. With the $20m posting fee, that's $44m guaranteed for Maeda. I believe the posting fee is not subject to the luxury tax, so it's another example of a smart front office exploiting loopholes in the system. IMO, the Dodgers are having one of the best offseasons in MLB. They've made very shrewd acquisitions and are absolutely flush with current and future assets.

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dak said:
If details below are confirmed, that is one heck of an interesting contract and a very nice strategy by LAD to minimize downside risk. With the $20m posting fee, that's $44m guaranteed for Maeda. I believe the posting fee is not subject to the luxury tax, so it's another example of a smart front office exploiting loopholes in the system. IMO, the Dodgers are having one of the best offseasons in MLB. They've made very shrewd acquisitions and are absolutely flush with current and future assets.

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Best offseasons?? they have question marks in two key areas.. starters (Ryu and McCarthy health and Maeda being good in US).. they don't have a pitching staff that will scare anyone in October. And Bullpen. they need more pieces to get the ball to Jansen.. I would love to have the talent the Dodgers have.. but I would really be concerned if I was a fan and expecting a world series title in 2016.. I still think they will make more moves.. but right now, they are not having one of the best offseasons..
 
Can't hate on anyone's off season when they are actually trying to improve their club. I would rather have a team try to win it all then sit back and dump players left and right.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
but right now, they are not having one of the best offseasons..
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I'm very open to eating crow if anyone can suggest 3-4 teams who have had a better offseason thus far. I'm certainly not one to fawn over every move that Andrew Friedman makes (thought he did poorly on Uribe trade and Olivera signing at the time of the moves). Here's my case for LAD this offseason . . .

- First and foremost, they've done nothing stupid to hurt their medium to long term future . . . like outbid ARI and BOS for Greinke and Price.

- 3 / $48m for Kazmir with half the money deferred and no draft pick surrendered. Deferrals help them navigate the luxury tax threshold in a beneficial way. Kazmir is projected to be a 3.3 WAR player by ZIPS in 2016.

- 8 / $44m guaranteed for Maeda with significant (so far unknown) incentives and no draft pick surrendered. $20m posting fee that's part of the price does not count toward luxury tax. Maeda is projected to be a 3.8 WAR player by ZIPS in 2016.

- Every analysis I've seen on the Todd Frazier trade has LAD coming out as a winner in the asset swap. This was not exactly a minor trade, so a very significant win for LAD.

- Signed Cuban prospects Yusniel Diaz and Omar Estevez in November, two major international talents. Again, the $ spent here does not count toward luxury tax threshold.

At this moment, LAD has one of the top 5 MLB teams heading into the season. In addition to that, they have an unparalleled combination of $ and talent to continue to improve the team.
 
dak said:
I'm very open to eating crow if anyone can suggest 3-4 teams who have had a better offseason thus far. I'm certainly not one to fawn over every move that Andrew Friedman makes (thought he did poorly on Uribe trade and Olivera signing at the time of the moves). Here's my case for LAD this offseason . . .

- First and foremost, they've done nothing stupid to hurt their medium to long term future . . . like outbid ARI and BOS for Greinke and Price.
- 3 / $48m for Kazmir with half the money deferred and no draft pick surrendered. Deferrals help them navigate the luxury tax threshold in a beneficial way. Kazmir is projected to be a 3.3 WAR player by ZIPS in 2016.
- 8 / $44m guaranteed for Maeda with significant (so far unknown) incentives and no draft pick surrendered. $20m posting fee that's part of the price does not count toward luxury tax. Maeda is projected to be a 3.8 WAR player by ZIPS in 2016.
- Every analysis I've seen on the Todd Frazier trade has LAD coming out as a winner in the asset swap. This was not exactly a minor trade, so a very significant win for LAD.
- Signed Cuban prospects Yusniel Diaz and Omar Estevez in November, two major international talents. Again, the $ spent here does not count toward luxury tax threshold.

At this moment, LAD has one of the top 5 MLB teams heading into the season. In addition to that, they have an unparalleled combination of $ and talent to continue to improve the team.
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this is subjective to what one's goal for the off season is.. For instances, the Braves have had a good off season in the sense they have moved up their potential compete date with the Miller trade. Of course this could be debated.. but I have been happy with the Braves off season. The Dodgers have done a great job keeping the talent they have and shaving some money from their massive payroll. however, the Dodgers are set to win this year. They needed to address two big question marks that lingered from last year. Starters/Pen. Last year they needed depth at the starting position.. with the loss of Zack, they needed another quality 1/2 type pitcher and depth.. They have not done that, and I still think they have depth issues..Potentially.. Also needed to sure up the back end of the pen.. again.. they have not done that.. Now I will agree all day with you that they have done a great job holding on to the future and shaving payroll.. my question is what was their goal going into this off season, before I say they have had a good one.. And I am not sure I say they have a top 5 team in baseball..The gNats had a 'top 5' team last year, but they neglected the Bench and bullpen depth and it failed them..
 
Kershaw, Maeda, Anderson, Kazmir, McCarthy, Ryu, Wood, Bolsinger, Frias, with De Leon, Urias and others on the farm is plenty of SP depth. Sure it's possible injury prone, but they have plenty of depth.

And Matt acts like Ryu will never be able to pitch again, may not be ready for OD,but if hes back to form, thats a very fine rotation, possibly better than last year if Maeda's the real deal.

Bullpen is a question but they can always put a couple of those guys in the pen.

If Kazmir is good, and opts out, allows them to insert Urias or De Leon next year, and get a draft pick.

Dodgers have a loaded farm system as well if they want to trade for a bat or pen arm.
 
Heyward said:
Kershaw, Maeda, Anderson, Kazmir, McCarthy, Ryu, Wood, Bolsinger, Frias, with De Leon, Urias and others on the farm is plenty of SP depth. Sure it's possible injury prone, but they have plenty of depth.

And Matt acts like Ryu will never be able to pitch again, may not be ready for OD,but if hes back to form, thats a very fine rotation, possibly better than last year if Maeda's the real deal.

Bullpen is a question but they can always put a couple of those guys in the pen.

If Kazmir is good, and opts out, allows them to insert Urias or De Leon next year, and get a draft pick.

Dodgers have a loaded farm system as well if they want to trade for a bat or pen arm.
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I am not acting like Ryu will never pitch again. just saying stats show shoulder tears usually result in a pitcher being much less effective than coming back the same. If Ryu was on the Braves, I would say the same thing. Much Like I did with Minor when everyone said we should keep him for one more year just in case he bounces back.. Ryu is a huge question mark and like the dodgers are doing, not to be counted on to be like he was. Yes there is depth.. but quality depth to contend for a title.. I don't see it.. but hey, to each there own. Now if Ryu comes back and is effective, then great... but if the Dodgers are waiting to see at the deadline and then pull the trigger, they will have to over pay to get a quality starter at that point..
 
bravesfanMatt said:
I am not acting like Ryu will never pitch again. just saying stats show shoulder tears usually result in a pitcher being much less effective than coming back the same. If Ryu was on the Braves, I would say the same thing. Much Like I did with Minor when everyone said we should keep him for one more year just in case he bounces back.. Ryu is a huge question mark and like the dodgers are doing, not to be counted on to be like he was. Yes there is depth.. but quality depth to contend for a title.. I don't see it.. but hey, to each there own. Now if Ryu comes back and is effective, then great... but if the Dodgers are waiting to see at the deadline and then pull the trigger, they will have to over pay to get a quality starter at that point..
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Kershaw, Maeda (if hes legit), Kazmir is a solid top 3, throw in Anderson or Ryu an thats a fine top 4.
 
Heyward said:
Kershaw, Maeda (if hes legit), Kazmir is a solid top 3, throw in Anderson or Ryu an thats a fine top 4.
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a team that has no payroll limits and ready to contend shouldn't have there number 2 as 'If he is legit' IMO..I have seen two articles that talk about how his movement may not translate to MLB.. he is little, so he will have to miss some bats with his slider.
I don't know. If we are ready to contend and the Braves have an unproven Japanese pitcher coming in to be the number 2, I would be worried.

**saying if he is legit is the same as saying Deleon and big U can come in to be their #2. makes just as much sense.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
a team that has no payroll limits and ready to contend shouldn't have there number 2 as 'If he is legit' IMO..I have seen two articles that talk about how his movement may not translate to MLB.. he is little, so he will have to miss some bats with his slider.
I don't know. If we are ready to contend and the Braves have an unproven Japanese pitcher coming in to be the number 2, I would be worried.

**saying if he is legit is the same as saying Deleon and big U can come in to be their #2. makes just as much sense.
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Technically money is no option but they've been trying to cut back the big deals as of late. Minus Kershaw's next deal after he opts unless he didnt wanna be there.
 
Heyward said:
Technically money is no option but they've been trying to cut back the big deals as of late. Minus Kershaw's next deal after he opts unless he didnt wanna be there.
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technically, you are right. They can spend more, but have done a good job of reducing the payroll and still keeping future talent. I personally like this move for their team.. the question is will the owners feel the same come July when they are not leading the west. Will they over pay to get what they need, if that is the case.

They have a young enough team and talent in the farm that they could scrap this year, see how the chips fall and go all in next year. But not sure the Dodgers like the idea of just 'Seeing how the season plays out'..

If things fall right they have a shot..but I wouldn't want to go into a season as a legit contender saying if things fall right. So that goes back to my original statement, them having a good off season depends on what their goals were. But since they were in on Zack and tried to trade for Chapman, I would say their goal was a title in 2016.

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