GDT: 5/3 Braves @ Mets

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I was just reading MLBTR about JJ Hardy going down to injury. A Braves fan posted this I'm sure: "chieftoto
Trade for Aybar. Would literally cost them nothing. Probably a lower level prospect like Fenter or Hess. Aybar hits 9th till Hardy comes back then he’s a bench option."

Anyone think the O's would take Aybar and his contract for free aka PTBNL or Cash? If so, we should jump on it and show them that he had two hits tonight. :)
 
Braves1976 said:
I was just reading MLBTR about JJ Hardy going down to injury. A Braves fan posted this I'm sure: "chieftoto
Trade for Aybar. Would literally cost them nothing. Probably a lower level prospect like Fenter or Hess. Aybar hits 9th till Hardy comes back then he’s a bench option."

Anyone think the O's would take Aybar and his contract for free aka PTBNL or Cash? If so, we should jump on it and show them that he had two hits tonight. :)
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It would be a smart move on their part. Chances are that Aybar reverts closer to his norm. Kind of dumb for the Braves to not be starting Aybar at SS everyday to be honest. Castro will never be anything more than a backup SS at the mlb level. Why not keep Aybar in the lineup and hope he regains his value?
 
One day I'll be able to read a game thread where every other post isn't about dissecting Fredi's decisions.

It will be the exact same except a different manager under scrutiny by the same people.

People questioned Cox all the time. I doubt they remember it now though.
 
So Folty and his straight fastball and flat breaking ball is going to be a member of someone's rotation one day? Seriously???

Most dominant AAA SP in a MLB rotation today - thank God we've got him.

The only pitch he has ANY control over is a 95 MPH fastball that splits the plate, and we saw one more time tonight what happens to those when you're not facing AAA level (or lower) hitters. Jose Berrios learned more between start 1 and start 2 than Folty's learned in 3 years. If he ever develops into a starter, please let it be with another organization.

Oh yeah, and fire Fredi for putting him on the mound to begin with. He deserves a 10 year prison sentence for not taking him out after the first two he grooved to Conforto and Cespedes.
 
bravesfanMatt said:
I would still like to see Folty pitch to someone other than AJP.. just to see...
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The pitches have to actually GET TO the Catcher first - really makes no difference who's back there when Folty's on the mound at this level. Can't frame it when it's going the other way over the fence at warp speed.
 
I don't think Folty's fastball is as flat as say Capellan's.

I just think he doesn't locate as well. If he utilized off speed stuff more and such his fastball would be more dominant. Also helps he doesn't throw for strikes and get ahead in the count. But apparently from what I read in this gdt he got favorable leads but AJ called some idiotic pitches on pitcher's counts.

A young pitcher who has raw talent like Folty needs a catcher to help and teach him think. Folty is a thrower right now and not polished like a pitcher. If he has someone like Flowers, McCann, or who has a reputation for handling staffs well he could be better.

AJP can never be a manager because he's not a smart catcher. Great teammate but not a great baseball mind. He's only lasted long because he's a catcher.
 
jpx7 said:
Meanwhile: I remain unable to embed a tweet on this site.

To wit:

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It's hard when a [url=https://twitter.com/hashtag/Braves?src=hash]#Braves[/url] player is called up from the minors, 'cause they've gotta get used to the smaller crowds.— George Wallace (@MrGeorgeWallace) [url=https://twitter.com/MrGeorgeWallace/status/727293267625136128]May 3, 2016[/url]
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You need the twitter tweet number and that's it.
 
The Don said:
I don't think Folty's fastball is as flat as say Capellan's.

I just think he doesn't locate as well. If he utilized off speed stuff more and such his fastball would be more dominant. Also helps he doesn't throw for strikes and get ahead in the count. But apparently from what I read in this gdt he got favorable leads but AJ called some idiotic pitches on pitcher's counts.

A young pitcher who has raw talent like Folty needs a catcher to help and teach him think. Folty is a thrower right now and not polished like a pitcher. If he has someone like Flowers, McCann, or who has a reputation for handling staffs well he could be better.

AJP can never be a manager because he's not a smart catcher. Great teammate but not a great baseball mind. He's only lasted long because he's a catcher.
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Capellan's actually not a bad comp - still the same thing. Great stuff, no brain.

It's the same story time after time with him, and the excuses are old and tired. So Blake Lalli, Ryan Lavarnway, and Braeden Schlehuber are great thinkers and pitch-framers? He was lighting it up with them behind the plate, right? None of the Folty-apologists think the coaches and instructors work with him every day on this? He's the ONLY player in the entire system who is only paid attention to on the days he starts?

He says it in every interview after a shelling - "I can't do that", "I can't keep getting behind hitters", and all the other "right things" - he apparently just can't do anything about it. Trying to hang his struggles on the Catcher is like trying to continue to hang games with NINE hits and ONE run on Fredi - neither the Catchers or Fredi are throwing the pitches.
 
I have been on AJP in this thread, and I think he deserves some grip.. But Folty needs to get his head straight too. He can't let non calls or bad pitches affect the next pitch.

But it was clear to everyone that Folty was mixing pitches better after the 1st inning..Was it AJ calling them or Fredi.. I don't know.. but I am sure it wasn't Folty as fast as he was working. Folty showed a good change up and curve at times.. He still needs to get his fast ball down at the knees more because that will make his curve and change up more effective... but I thought his stuff was good last night and he off speed wasn't used enough...especially in the 1st.. the first batter was Curtis and he got up and threw a nasty curve that Curtis fouled off somehow.. then missed wildly with two cutters off to the right.. then came back inside corner with a very good change on 3-2 to K Curtis.. Then he missed with a few curves to Wright.. had a 2-2 cutter painting the outside corner that a good catcher might have stolen a strike.. and came back with the same pitch cutting back in on Wright and up..not a good pitch....
 
clvclv said:
Capellan's actually not a bad comp - still the same thing. Great stuff, no brain.

It's the same story time after time with him, and the excuses are old and tired. So Blake Lalli, Ryan Lavarnway, and Braeden Schlehuber are great thinkers and pitch-framers? He was lighting it up with them behind the plate, right? None of the Folty-apologists think the coaches and instructors work with him every day on this? He's the ONLY player in the entire system who is only paid attention to on the days he starts?

He says it in every interview after a shelling - "I can't do that", "I can't keep getting behind hitters", and all the other "right things" - he apparently just can't do anything about it. Trying to hang his struggles on the Catcher is like trying to continue to hang games with NINE hits and ONE run on Fredi - neither the Catchers or Fredi are throwing the pitches.
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But it's pretty obvious to anyone that is watching that AJ is hurting our pitchers because he can't block balls, throw anybody out, and frame at all.

He's been working with AJ since last year. AJ should not be working with him and it's almost like night and day with Teheran as well.

And still I think it's too early to give up on Folty as a starter and I'm definitely not a Folty apolgist.

Are you seriously telling me AJ shares no blame and that he manages staffs and is as good of a defensive catcher as someone like McCann?

It's not fair to Folty that our front office thinks AJ is the right catcher to work with our young talent. The guy can't throw any runners out, he can't block pitches in the dirt, he certainly can't frame pitches for strikes like his teammate flowers. What qualities does AJ have to make you believe he should be mentoring these young guys?

Glav and Smoltzie and others used to credit Olsen for helping them on the mound too. No way Folty was gonna throw AJ under the bus, but if you are telling me AJP is a plus for this team as a regular catcher you're out of your mind.

Sure Folty deserves some blame for not being able to shrug off bad Calls but it's the Catcher's responsibility to make sure it doesn't happen. When Julio was a young guy, McCann was a great guy to have behind the plate. Not even talking about Harper thing but mac was rated as one of the best pitch framers aND I'd imagine that does wonders for confidence for younger guys that they can worry about locating to the mitt instead of overthrowing.
 
to expand on this.. I think the blame does go on Folty.. He has to execute the pitches... if told a reporter that AJ called a bad game, I would want him off the team immediately. That is my job to say that, not his.. lol..

But JT's last start with Flowers.. there was a 2-2 pitch that Flowers got called strike three.. it was low and off the plate but he pulled it back.. little things like that can drastically change a game.. I am almost positive if AJ frames the 2-2 pitch to Wright and gets that 3rd strike.. the entire game would have been different and everyone would be saying how well Folty pitched.. but he didn't and Folty made several bad pitches to compound the matter.. That is Folty's fault without a doubt.. But our young staff is working on razor thin margins right now.. they need every advantage they can possibly get.. and Flowers is a better choice for them.. I don't care if he is hitting .110.. he is going to be better in the long run for the young staff..
 
Pitch selection the first time through the order is scripted in the pitcher-catcher-pitching coach meetings before the games.
If there is a glitch the pitching coach comes out and address' it. Ala Gattis and Tehran

Catcher merely executes what was earlier decided.

No fan of AJ or McDowell and the jury still out on Folt...
The Mets hit the ball - let's give them the credit and move on
 
mossy said:
People questioned Cox all the time. I doubt they remember it now though.
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Why would they not remember it? Bobby is an all time great as a manager, but he was below average at in game management of the team, lineup construction, and bullpen usage. His strengths were being one of the best managers of personalities of all time and having his players backs like nobody else. This allowed him to get the absolute best out of his players during the regular season. But the lack of in game management hurt us in the playoffs from time to time. Nothing crazy to to both consider Bobby a great manager and criticize his weaknesses, particularly with our postseason futility from 1997 on.

The problem with Fredi is he has all of Bobby's weaknesses and none of his strengths. I can't think of any particular area where I consider Fredi a good manager.
 
The Don said:
I don't think Folty's fastball is as flat as say Capellan's.

I just think he doesn't locate as well. If he utilized off speed stuff more and such his fastball would be more dominant. Also helps he doesn't throw for strikes and get ahead in the count. But apparently from what I read in this gdt he got favorable leads but AJ called some idiotic pitches on pitcher's counts.

A young pitcher who has raw talent like Folty needs a catcher to help and teach him think. Folty is a thrower right now and not polished like a pitcher. If he has someone like Flowers, McCann, or who has a reputation for handling staffs well he could be better.

AJP can never be a manager because he's not a smart catcher. Great teammate but not a great baseball mind. He's only lasted long because he's a catcher.
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I think his four seamer is pretty flat, but you're right that the issue is in his locating that pitch. When he throws it right down the pipe on a 3-1 count then that hitter is just going to tee off on it. The two seamer he throws does have some movement. So the key on the two seamer is to keep that pitch down and keep the four seamer up above the belt. So overall I agree that control and command is his biggest issue.
 
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