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I'm sorry, but this is just plain silly. Cincy and Philly aren't changing their selections based on anything that the Braves say in a podcast. Even if they respect the Braves scouting department.
 
Diesel said:
I'm sorry, but this is just plain silly. Cincy and Philly aren't changing their selections based on anything that the Braves say in a podcast. Even if they respect the Braves scouting department.
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Who said it was because of this podcast only? We don't know what conversations teams have. We know in the NBA and NFL drafts there's always bluffing and such by executives.

You'd be silly to not think other teams in front and behind us aren't thinking about who we're taking. And at the same time we would be silly if we didn't do the same. I mean in this thread we've talked about why both teams would and wouldn't draft Lewis. Why is it a stretch to think the Braves who had a reputation for taking high schoolers in our previous successful era, would not have the other teams wonder and speculate why they'd take a high schooler so early unless it was a diamond blue chip.
 
Anyone remember the lengths the Braves went to to disguise their interest in Heyward when he was in HS. My guess is that secrecy and misinformation are a standard part of their operating procedure when it comes to the draft. I am 99% sure JC was not tipping his hand either in the podcast or his earlier statement that the Braves would prefer a college bat.
 
If the Braves take Moniak, UCLA is really going to start hating the Braves organization. Especially after taking Kolby Allard and Lucas Herbert last year.
 
nsacpi said:
Anyone remember the lengths the Braves went to to disguise their interest in Heyward when he was in HS. My guess is that secrecy and misinformation are a standard part of their operating procedure when it comes to the draft. I am 99% sure JC was not tipping his hand either in the podcast or his earlier statement that the Braves would prefer a college bat.
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It could also be that there's no potential negative impact from making such a nebulous statement. When he said we were looking at college bats we very well might have been high on Lewis, Senzel, Ray, etc. However, the landscape has changed where it looks like a high schooler will be the best bet. Either way you're not tipping your hand in the least by making statements like that.

Also, the fact that we only have two teams in front of us makes it harder for us to tip our hand. Those two are going to take who they're going to take. We could probably release our top 3 on live TV and it wouldn't affect the Phils or Reds. Heyward was a little different.
 
CJ9 said:
I'm not really understanding the recent trend on here of people writing off Ray and suddenly more interested in Senzel.

The only thing we know Senzel will do above average is hit for average. Ray we know will be above average defensively and be able to steal 20+ at minimum. He has also shown significantly more power in college.

I also think Ray is a better fit for our system. I get that you draft best player available, but with Rio Ruiz and Austin Riley at third, there's a decent chance one of them can be our future third baseman. Who's that guy in left field? Maybe it's Dustin Peterson, but he's not as highly regarded as Ruiz or Riley, and there's not much else in our system in the corner outfield spots.

What am I missing?
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Having watched Ray against Carolina, I personally want no part of him - certainly with a Top 5 pick. I didn't see anything that made me think he can handle CF at higher levels. I also didn't see anything that suggested he's capable of delivering 20+ HRs against more advanced pitching. I've only seen clips of Senzel, so I'm not saying I think he's a better fit either - I have no idea. What I think (and maybe what you're getting from what others are saying) is that IF we're targeting a college hitter that we hope is ready quickly is that it needs to be a masher - at least to some extent. Another 15 HR bat isn't going to do much to help protect Freeman. If that player isn't available at #3 (and Lewis looks to be the only one available), I'd be really disappointed if they didn't then choose to go with the player with the absolute highest ceiling, even if that turns out to be a Pitcher who could be several years away.
 
nsacpi said:
It could be that they respect the Braves scouting reputation to the point where they would allow our evaluation of the talent to affect their choice. Not saying it would be the dominant factor in their choice. But if it were a close call and they were aware that the Braves liked a particular player better it might tip the scales.
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Absolutely worked in our favor in Trouble With The Curve - we got Bo Gentry!!!
 
Honestly, I don't see John Copollela, a guy not known for masterful media manipulation, dropping a vague comment over 40 minutes into a Nerdist podcast in answer to a question about tanking as a means of misdirection when only 2 teams are picking ahead of us. More than likely our current draft projection has us taking a high schooler. That could change a dozen times between now and the draft. It's just interesting now that Lewis is going 1 or 2 in most mocks.
 
It sounds to me like he's just talking generally about our first few picks. Yes, it is likely we will take at least one high schooler among those picks. He could have been talking specifically about #3, but I think he just meant that these guys are far away regardless and just used the idea that you usually take several HSers to illustrate it. I don't think he was trying to relay anything specific about a player or group of players we're targeting at 3.
 
smootness said:
It sounds to me like he's just talking generally about our first few picks. Yes, it is likely we will take at least one high schooler among those picks. He could have been talking specifically about #3, but I think he just meant that these guys are far away regardless and just used the idea that you usually take several HSers to illustrate it. I don't think he was trying to relay anything specific about a player or group of players we're targeting at 3.
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It's possible he meant that it's likely we'll take at least one high school guy in the top 4 picks. But it did sound enough like he was talking about the number 3 pick that sports radio in Atlanta talked about it for 5-10 minutes.

I'm still hoping for a college bat.
 
striker42 said:
It's possible he meant that it's likely we'll take at least one high school guy in the top 4 picks. But it did sound enough like he was talking about the number 3 pick that sports radio in Atlanta talked about it for 5-10 minutes.

I'm still hoping for a college bat.
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Yeah, I heard it on 680. I like Chuck and Chernoff, but I'm not taking that to the bank. They know nothing more than we do.
 
In the article/comments on tomahawktake, it states that the Braves might be attempting to draft Moniak at #3 underslot and then Rutherford at #40 overslot. If that's possible and works, I'd be really excited even if they are at least 3-4+ years away. Their ceilings are sky high and I wouldn't be happy enough. Moniak with the hit/speed/defense tools and Rutherford with the hit/power tools would be amazing.
What are your thoughts and the link:
http://tomahawktake.com/2016/05/16/atlanta-braves-mock-draft-monday-version-2-0/
 
bravescountry said:
In the article/comments on tomahawktake, it states that the Braves might be attempting to draft Moniak at #3 underslot and then Rutherford at #40 overslot. If that's possible and works, I'd be really excited even if they are at least 3-4+ years away. Their ceilings are sky high and I wouldn't be happy enough. Moniak with the hit/speed/defense tools and Rutherford with the hit/power tools would be amazing.

What are your thoughts and the link:

http://tomahawktake.com/2016/05/16/atlanta-braves-mock-draft-monday-version-2-0/
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As much as I would love this, no way I see it happening. I can't imagine Rutherford is there at 40.
 
smootness said:
Yeah, I heard it on 680. I like Chuck and Chernoff, but I'm not taking that to the bank. They know nothing more than we do.
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They don't know anything we don't. But they are a good touchstone to make sure we're not way off base here interpreting what Coppy said.
 
striker42 said:
As much as I would love this, no way I see it happening. I can't imagine Rutherford is there at 40.
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It's actually possible if you so call "manipulate" the draft (more of the draft money).
See, the Braves have 3 picks in the top 44- the #3, the #40, and the #44- and possibly more if we end up trading for CBA picks.
The slot money assigned the to the three picks above are: #3- $6.51 million, #40- $1.61 million, and #44- $1.45 million. That totals to around $9.57 million for the first three picks which could increase with more traded CBA picks as stated above. So now, we have lets say $9.6 million for the first three picks. Moniak is predicted to go top 5-8, and Rutherford is predicted to go similar but maybe a bit lower due to age, so let's say at pick 10. Pick 3 for Moniak would be a bit high, but on the other hand, Rutherford at #40 would be a lot low. The slot money for the #6 is $4 million, and the slot for pick 10 is $ 3.9 million. Now, we would have to start talking to the players themselves and agents and agreeing with money. We can tell the players that the Braves intend on drafting Moniak UNDERSLOT of the #3 pick value (so roughly 4.5 million which is still more than $4 million) and then Rutherford at 40 OVERSLOT than the #40 value (so at around $4.5 million which is also more than the #10 pick slot). We WOULD have to talk to Rutherford and get him to tell teams that he will either want more than $4 million to sign or that he is going to college so that other teams won't sign him. This, however, happens a lot in drafts and most recently in memory- Daz Cameron with the Astros.
So if the plan works, with the first two picks, we would end up with Mickey Moniak AND Blake Rutherford for $9 million and we didn't go over by THAT much. If we are able to trade for CBA picks, it'll help a lot with the financial part because getting more CBA picks doesn't just help us get more players, but more money to give out to the draftees.

Does that understand? sorry for the length of the reply.
 
bravescountry said:
It's actually possible if you so call "manipulate" the draft (more of the draft money).

See, the Braves have 3 picks in the top 44- the #3, the #40, and the #44- and possibly more if we end up trading for CBA picks.

The slot money assigned the to the three picks above are: #3- $6.51 million, #40- $1.61 million, and #44- $1.45 million. That totals to around $9.57 million for the first three picks which could increase with more traded CBA picks as stated above. So now, we have lets say $9.6 million for the first three picks. Moniak is predicted to go top 5-8, and Rutherford is predicted to go similar but maybe a bit lower due to age, so let's say at pick 10. Pick 3 for Moniak would be a bit high, but on the other hand, Rutherford at #40 would be a lot low. The slot money for the #6 is $4 million, and the slot for pick 10 is $ 3.9 million. Now, we would have to start talking to the players themselves and agents and agreeing with money. We can tell the players that the Braves intend on drafting Moniak UNDERSLOT of the #3 pick value (so roughly 4.5 million which is still more than $4 million) and then Rutherford at 40 OVERSLOT than the #40 value (so at around $4.5 million which is also more than the #10 pick slot). We WOULD have to talk to Rutherford and get him to tell teams that he will either want more than $4 million to sign or that he is going to college so that other teams won't sign him. This, however, happens a lot in drafts and most recently in memory- Daz Cameron with the Astros.

So if the plan works, with the first two picks, we would end up with Mickey Moniak AND Blake Rutherford for $9 million and we didn't go over by THAT much. If we are able to trade for CBA picks, it'll help a lot with the financial part because getting more CBA picks doesn't just help us get more players, but more money to give out to the draftees.

Does that understand? sorry for the length of the reply.
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I see what you're saying it's just a lot of stars have to align for that to play out.
 
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