Affordable Care Act
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Oklahomahawk
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I think he probably meant this paragraph: The state’s Public Protection Cabinet said insurance companies requested the rate increases for reasons including market forces, an aging population “and the general instability injected in the state health insurance market by Obamacare.”
Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
Well I'm sure that goes along with it.
57Brave
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So in other words, if we want our population insured the other half of the insurance equation kicks in
do I read that right ?
My auto and home owners insurance rates went up this year and i have had no claims.
My local taxes went up because they needed a new school bus or something ....
cost of doing business.
Let's hope our pols get together the necessary stones to eliminate having insurance company profit margins determining health care costs.
As of now, this is system is what we have
I have no problem helping pay for low income people to have health insurance
sturg33
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That's great you don't have a problem with it. There are avenues for you to do just that.
That doesn't give you the right to say that others should have no problem with it
Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
Eh, the way I see it (what was said) is that the insurance industry, which already makes money out the wazoo, wants to keep and even increase the revenue part of the picture but get rid of as many of those nasty expenditures as possible. On the surface and within some sort of reason there isn't anything wrong with that, that's what businesses do, but to me any system that is clearly this out of control on the intake side of things and at least seems perfectly willing to increase profits by increasing the suffering and death rates of people is "crossing the line", but hey that's just me. Everything in life has limits or bad things happen, to me the concept of "anything goes" just isn't realistic, or moral, or American for that matter. Again, that's just me.
Oklahomahawk
Boras' Client
And do you really expect Hilldog to "get after" insurance companies? Do you think the Dems in Congress will actually negotiate with the Repubs about real reforms? They wouldn't under BO. They just kept superglued on to their sacred cows, just like the Repubs did with theirs. For any real change to take place it's going to take real leadership and a real commitment to doing the right thing for the nation, not just for their own personal sugar daddies.
Do you think we'll see this? I have to admit I have given up hope of anyone in Washington going through enough detox to actually care about anyone other than themselves and their own bank accounts and/or private islands. I really do hope I'm wrong, I just don't believe it.
57Brave
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I don't think there will be seachange in health care until the insurance lobby is brought down. Just like there won't be meanin full gun reform until the gun lobby is neutered.
It isn't just the .polticians, it is the people that vote. As long as we have peple voting against their interests - for whatever reason
That is another lesson from Trump. 40% of the electorate will vote their fears. Founded or unfounded
It isn't just the .polticians, it is the people that vote. As long as we have peple voting against their interests - for whatever reason
That is another lesson from Trump. 40% of the electorate will vote their fears. Founded or unfounded
Tapate50
Well-known member
They always had access to care. They got care as well. There was literally nothing keeping 20-30 million people as you say from walking into an insurance agency or going on the web to purchase coverage. We spent a bazillion dollars to recreate whats already out there and available.
57Brave
Well-known member
of course there was, I know you pay better attention than to actually believe that. Perhaps it was money or perhaps they are between jobs or perhaps they had a condition or perhaps they smoked 40 years ago or ... or ... or...
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granted there was care avaiable
But, at what cost ?
Routine yearly check ups -
Cancer screening and treatment
Diabetes screening
I have a young friend that had no insurance previous to 2013 that had to have an appendectomy last night. Suppose she just showed up to the ER or worse didn't show up to ER.
Do you have any idea what an appendectomy would cost and the couple days of recovery required ? She didn't have insurance before because she couldn't afford it. So lay that bill on her (guessing here over $50K) and who will pay for that when it defaults ? Please, not with the responsibility and bad decisions nonsense.
Suppose someone has a common contagious virus and doesn't go to ER because they don't deem it an emergency or money issues. Suppose that person is in a store next to your kid...
Yes the ER was there, but what of the cost of ER treatment for migraines or hypertension
There is no substitute for dedicated health care in the "richest country" the world has ever seen.
How it gets paid for is a whole other issue but saying HC was available before is very shortsighted and narrow
The ACA killed jobs at my company. Cut back a lot of part timers hours too, but feel free to think it didn't.
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
Health-care as a right is a moral imperative; a balanced state-budget is not.