Overreach
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goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
i have no problem pushing against anyone who fights to deny equal rights to a fellow citizen
don't care if their group name is "Little Sisters of the poor" or "If you disagree with us, you are hoping Children get cancer" or whatever you want to use as an example
this isn't a bendable issue and i don't agree with a dream deferred
then they shouldn't open businesses for the public in this society if they think someone has the right to just treat certain americans as 2nd class citizens
this isn't a religious freedom test, this is a hate test.
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
Huh? They offered to make a cake but not decorated the way they want. It is like Swatzikas or meal cooked in pork fat, religious people do not like to do things that offends their religion. You respect Muslims but not Jews or Christians beliefs which is odd.
Heck, if a black business don't like you or accept you and yeah there are some, I would advise not to eat there if you insist on getting what you want how you want, you might find some added ingredients of the unsavory kind. The couple is fortunate good people end up being forced to do something against their Constitutional Rights.
Jaw
It's OVER 5,000!
I have been surprised that these businesses haven't protested the revocation of their religious rights by turning out very low quality products.
I would have done a terrible job of decorating the cake or putting together the bouquets, just to send a message.
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
If someone wants to hate that is their business. But 'hate' is now loosely defined to push a control of thought and speech.
So if someone wants to be a pathetic person with hate in their heart we should not all them to hate? That my friend is tyranny.
AerchAngel
<B>Secretary of Statistics</B>
Why Liberals hate people unlike them? Seriously, forcing upon people their beliefs and not let people live the way they want to live. Very oppressive if you ask me.
DaneHill
Well-known member
AA, you do realize this is exactly how gay people feel living in a straight society?
The gay community isn't a monolith, Dane.
sturg33
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Not being able to get your cake anywhere you want isn't things being forced on you.
My boss is gay, and my colleague is catholic. Over drinks they discuss their beliefs and why they believe them. I think she is wrong, but in no world does she "hate" like is commonly being thrown around by goldy. "Hate" will be the new "racist" when it comes to just crying wolf over and over and over again until it loses its meaning
It is deliberate. It's all about control and that's why it continuously gets extended to include more and more things.
DaneHill
Well-known member
No idea what you're trying to say here.
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
DaneHill
Well-known member
Yes, that's what bothers gay people. Not being able to get cake anywhere we want.
"Hate" is a strong word that I don't throw around lightly myself. I tend to think of people who think badly of gays as either misguided, uninformed, ignorant, or out of touch. Or closet cases, haha. If someone has never been exposed to gay people, then I get it, it's hard, if not impossible, to wrap their heads around the concept, especially when society has prejudiced them against the idea from childhood on. If those people become verbally or physically abusive, then yes, I consider that hate.
Now, you'll say, but what about gay people who verbally or physically abuse religious people, such as the cake bakers, is that hate? Yes, but again, I get it. Religion has well earned the ire of gay people. Not all religions of course, but you know what I mean. Gay people finally feel empowered, able to live their lives openly and honestly. You try to shove that back in a closet or condemn it, and you're asking for a violent reaction.
If a bakery refused to make me a cake because I'm gay, it would be something of a shock and saddening, but I personally would turn the other cheek and walk away. Hey, thanks for letting me know. I wouldn't want to give them my money anyway. Plenty of gay-friendly businesses out there that deserve my money. Other people though are not willing to just walk away. The bakery is breaking the law and being called out on it.
I grew up Southern Baptist in Georgia and Virginia. When I turned 18, I never went back. It was just a poisonous and unhealthy environment for me. My mother didn't understand for years why I stopped going. I didn't necessarily stop believing in God though. I just stopped believing in Man's interpretation of God, at least the interpretation I grew up with. It didn't fit with what I knew to be true about life. And since then, if it encroaches on my life, then I stand up to it.
So, is all this part of the "overreach"? We should all overreach towards what is good and right. Is that a bad thing? Certainly not something to regret. I think the role it may have played in this election is just the last gasps of a dying belief for many people. Progress isn't a straight line, nor is it often easily won.
goldfly
<B>if my thought dreams could be seen</B>
if you actively try to make laws to treat others not as equal as i am and others, i don't see how that isn't anything but hate
it's insane to think in this country that someone can say "hey, we want to be equal as you" and there are a lot of people that go "nope"
and then hide behind bull**** arguments of tyranny and freedom
it makes light of actual tyranny and dilutes the word freedom
it's insane to think in this country that someone can say "hey, we want to be equal as you" and there are a lot of people that go "nope"
and then hide behind bull**** arguments of tyranny and freedom
it makes light of actual tyranny and dilutes the word freedom