Well if it wasn't ISIL then it would've been Al Qaeda, right?
The Trump Presidency
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Well if it wasn't ISIL then it would've been Al Qaeda, right?
Not true at all.
Julio3000
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Worked great in Iraq. I'm sure Russia and Iran would be wildly enthusiastic!
Deposing Assad would have been exceedingly less messy four years ago than it would be today. At the time, prior to Russian involvement, it's plausible that Assad could have been coaxed out. His back was against the wall. Putin threw him a lifeline.
That's on Barry. Entirely. I don't see how you can sidestep that or throw another red flag at Bush.
Lost in the sarcasm is your alternative ... maybe the furtive hope that Shoko Asahara magically appears and shows Assad the most efficient route to finish off the rest of the rebels?
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Since the core of ISIL's leadership is former Iraqi army/intel and other "de-ba'athified" types, I hardly think it's an irrelevant question.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Less messy four years ago, sure.
Prior to Russian involvement? Please. And Iran?
Your certainty that we could zoot in there with the UN and stand up a viable government is ... touching. Again, that was the same story we heard--and you presumably echoed--about Iraq.
There's no way if we forced Assad out that Syria would have remained stable.
Theres too many factions in Syria right now vying for territory there were a decent number of factions doing the same 4 years ago. I also think a move on Syria decreases our chances of striking the Iran deal.
Blaming Obama for the Arab spring is crazy. If he had gotten his hands dirty in Egypt things would have gotten ugly. We tried in Libya and Syria I feel would have been much worse.
i just don't see how the neocons continue to think more and more ground troops is going to solve these problems. We may be in Iraq and Afghanistan forever at this point.
Theres too many factions in Syria right now vying for territory there were a decent number of factions doing the same 4 years ago. I also think a move on Syria decreases our chances of striking the Iran deal.
Blaming Obama for the Arab spring is crazy. If he had gotten his hands dirty in Egypt things would have gotten ugly. We tried in Libya and Syria I feel would have been much worse.
i just don't see how the neocons continue to think more and more ground troops is going to solve these problems. We may be in Iraq and Afghanistan forever at this point.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
So, where are we on this one?
Either this cat made it up and the Daily Caller published it uncritically (to say nothing of the other sites that have gravytrained on it; it's been around the world and back) or he has a top-secret source who was for some reason not mentioned anywhere in the story.
You linked this story. You tell me which one it is.
Either are possible. I'd like to wait and see before concluding either is the truth.
I'm fairly confident nobody will be able to sort this out. We are headed to a world War with the middle east.
This is not going away. If Susan Rice was involved as directly as being reported then how could Obama not have been aware?
Been doing it for over a year.
cajunrevenge
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what did California do?
Hold up. Why do you think Russia got involved in Syria to begin with?
You asked me what my solution would be. I replied. I'm curious as to how you derive certainty from that.
Again, I'm still waiting on an alternative from you that isn't entirely comprised of sitting on ones hands.
