The mess in Syria

I want marches, sit ins, camp-outs in front of the homes of the Obama-Kerry-McCain-Lindsey team, Code Pink disruptions of anything they can disrupt - and press coverage galore! Just like the good old days.
 
Well, for it to be the good old days, there would have to be a hail of accusations that those who oppose the war are un-American, commie, terrorist-sympathizing Frenchmen.

Also, I must have missed the part of the good old days when the media wasn't cheerleading us into war.
 
Hurl away! I'll even go eat some French food, though I'd prefer a nice Lebanese cafe! :-)

Press likes to cover anti-war stuff and encourage lobbing bombs, no? It isn't an either/or with them is it?
 
both sides can agree to go to a war and spend that money

but they can't spend the money for head start or our infrastructure

i wish the good things in this world had the lobbying power that the military industrial complex has

bedell, i finally replied to that private message. i never saw the notification for it till almost a week after your message
 
goldfly said:
both sides can agree to go to a war and spend that money

but they can't spend the money for head start or our infrastructure

i wish the good things in this world had the lobbying power that the military industrial complex has

bedell, i finally replied to that private message. i never saw the notification for it till almost a week after your message
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Always a puzzler to me as well. Defense spending is just as Keynesian as any other government dollar that is spent. Sure, you don't want to throw money down a rat hole and we should demand accountability from government in the delivery of services, but as goldfly has pointed out, the defense industry has got pretty much everyone by the gonads.
 
BedellBrave said:
Hurl away! I'll even go eat some French food, though I'd prefer a nice Lebanese cafe! :-)

Press likes to cover anti-war stuff and encourage lobbing bombs, no? It isn't an either/or with them is it?
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BedellBrave said:
Hurl away! I'll even go eat some French food, though I'd prefer a nice Lebanese cafe! :-)

Press likes to cover anti-war stuff and encourage lobbing bombs, no? It isn't an either/or with them is it?
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Maybe not, but coverage of the anti-war movement (as such) was always pretty spotty, condescending, and tending to marginalize. Once it became apparent that the Iraq war was more or less a **** sandwich, mainstream coverage shifted a good bit. Just like the sports media, they tend to be front-runners.
 
This is very unsettling. America needs a sustained period of no military involvement overseas. We need to invest back into America. Fight the proxy wars but all out war is disastrous.
 
It is getting harder to ignore politics. We figured out a way to make war unprofitable and now we can't get enough of it. Looking at the past 13 years, is it really possible we've started believing our own bull****?
 
Dalyn said:
It is getting harder to ignore politics. We figured out a way to make war unprofitable and now we can't get enough of it. Looking at the past 13 years, is it really possible we've started believing our own bull****?
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Most of America is against military action in Syria. So, I don't see how you can say that is the case. In fact the only reason this is going to congress is because of the poll numbers. Now if you mean do politicians believe their own bs, then that's a whole different thought.
 
weso1 said:
Most of America is against military action in Syria. So, I don't see how you can say that is the case. In fact the only reason this is going to congress is because of the poll numbers. Now if you mean do politicians believe their own bs, then that's a whole different thought.
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Yes. I am talking about politicians--the decision makers, in this case.
 
My favorite part about this is we will go to war, and then folks will blame the people who complain by saying "you voted for these guys, vote them out"

As if we have a choice in what goes on in this world.
 
Of course, there will always be idiots who believe everything they're told. That if we don't get involved then we will die from a terrorist attack.
 
sturg33 said:
Of course, there will always be idiots who believe everything they're told. That if we don't get involved then we will die from a terrorist attack.
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Didn't you used to be one of those idiots back in the day? And does it really help to call those people idiots? Maybe we'd all get more folks on our side if we stopped calling those we disagreed with idiots? That's one thing I think I'm starting to learn in life. Penn Jillette ftw.

I've changed my mind since I started posting on any Braves political forum many times about several issues due to age and experience. But I find myself less willing to change my opinion due to my own pride. It's more difficult to change an opinion when the person whose opinion you want to change is being insulted.
 
My biggest issue with this situation is I just don't see how we benefit in any way, shape, or form from taking action. I feel awful that innocent people died but I just wonder why 1400 people dead is worse than the 100,000+ that died before them. Will our actions cause another 1400 innocent people to die by a wayward missile here or there? Why can't we at least wait until at least the U.N. inspectors have had time to do their job?
 
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