Rand Paul

I'll look into and get back to you. Perhaps she is some genius that I just have missed over the years.

Yeah, please report back. I'm waiting with bated breath here. I can't wait to hear how you spin her 40 year political, legal, and business career into someone achieved by an incompetent moron. I'm sure you'll bring some real, hard-hitting analysis and insight.

It's nice to finally have some fresh blood in the system.

Yes, it sure is swell to have these fresh ideas like "taxes are bad," "states' rights," and "the gold standard." Just some innovative stuff right there. I can't believe it took so long for someone to suggest them. Things are really gonna change, boy I tell you what.
 
Yeah, please report back. I'm waiting with bated breath here. I can't wait to hear how you spin her 40 year political, legal, and business career into someone achieved by an incompetent moron. I'm sure you'll bring some real, hard-hitting analysis and insight.

Yes, it sure is swell to have these fresh ideas like "taxes are bad," "states' rights," and "the gold standard." Just some innovative stuff right there. I can't believe it took so long for someone to suggest them. Things are really gonna change, boy I tell you what.

If you recall, I started a thread asking about Hilary's credentials. Your reply was your usual degrade the question but don't provide an answer.
 
of course it was an ad for his practice! The words are from his website --
and where does Dr Paul draw a paycheck? For how long? (how you missed that in the articles is beyond me)

Again, your above statement proves your ignorance on the subject of HRC. And if I re read my above words they say a record of public service not experience in government. There is a difference
Before becoming a TeaPary darling, what if anything did Dr Paul contribute? Was he on any service boards or volunteer organizations? Work any outreach programs? Design any type of child care programs? Or even do Pro-Bono Ophthalmology?
which leaves as noted above - his qualifications for the US Senate amounted to his being a flake- niche Texas Congressman's son. A Congressman with a past connected to hate groups in fact. But hey, money is money.

I believe in the words of Ayn Rand - Rand Paul would be a "taker" which to my mind would qualify him to be as Julio put it --- a "joke"

Jeesus, a doctor that takes gov't program money to make half of his income! OMGEEEEEE. Thats so crazy!!!!

I would operate within the system that is set forth if I wanted to make some money, but it wouldn't mean I couldn't support another system if it was available. Taking private pay patients can be a daunting and very dangerous career path. I wouldn't blame any doctors for operating within the system they have now, because there aren't many choices. Going completely private pay also costs most docs to cut staff, and thus costs community jobs (and good ones at that).

Finally, What does Pro-Bono Ophthalamology have to do with any of this?

Fwiw, I am not even a Paul supporter really. I just find it fascinating that the sky isn't blue when talking about the candidates that don't have a D after their name.
 
Jeesus, a doctor that takes gov't program money to make half of his income! OMGEEEEEE. Thats so crazy!!!!

I would operate within the system that is set forth if I wanted to make some money, but it wouldn't mean I couldn't support another system if it was available. Taking private pay patients can be a daunting and very dangerous career path. I wouldn't blame any doctors for operating within the system they have now, because there aren't many choices. Going completely private pay also costs most docs to cut staff, and thus costs community jobs (and good ones at that).

Finally, What does Pro-Bono Ophthalamology have to do with any of this?

1) one that rails against alchohol should not be seen n public drunk

2) ah. career path vs ideology. From one that espouses his ideology. Do as I say not as I do --- gotcha

3) Pro Bono Opthamology would be Public Service. (capital P capital S)

Why do people have to explain these simple principles to you? (there is that pesky question mark again) my lord.
 
of course it was an ad for his practice! The words are from his website --

and where does Dr Paul draw a paycheck? For how long? (how you missed that in the articles is beyond me)

Again, your above statement proves your ignorance on the subject of HRC. And if I re read my above words they say a record of public service not experience in government. There is a difference

Before becoming a TeaPary darling, what if anything did Dr Paul contribute? Was he on any service boards or volunteer organizations? Work any outreach programs? Design any type of child care programs? Or even do Pro-Bono Ophthalmology?

which leaves as noted above - his qualifications for the US Senate amounted to his being a flake- niche Texas Congressman's son. A Congressman with a past connected to hate groups in fact. But hey, money is money.

I believe in the words of Ayn Rand - Rand Paul would be a "taker" which to my mind would qualify him to be as Julio put it --- a "joke"

I'm confused - do you think taking government money makes one a joke? Wouldn't that mean Hilary Clinton is a joke?

Also - Rand Paul is not Ron Paul. Th ta has already been stated.

Lastly, Rand Paul has done a lot more to help people than Hilary Clinton. She has been a destructive force of growth in this country. At least Rand helps people. Of course, if Hilary had her way, it would be much more difficult for those doctors to help people.
 
If you recall, I started a thread asking about Hilary's credentials. Your reply was your usual degrade the question but don't provide an answer.

And here we are, a month later, and you are still bragging about how little you know about her, other than how big of a poopypants she is, and flaunting your active refusal to even do the bare minimum of reading her wikipedia page. It's a wonder to behold.
 
No I think that one who takes government money while railing against the use of government money makes on at the least a joke at the medium a lightweight and at the top a hypocrite.

I think those that loyally follow their tripe naive - sophomoric and ideologically dangerous

I take back my statement on Pauls public service his Wiki page biography includes this. I was wrong

Following completion of his medical training, Paul began practicing ophthalmology in Bowling Green in 1993,[18][19] eventually opening his own medical practice, in which he specialized in corneal disease and glaucoma.[10][19][20] Paul faced two malpractice lawsuits between 1993 and 2010; he was cleared in one case while the other was settled for $50,000.[19] As a member of the Bowling Green Noon Lions Club, Paul founded the Southern Kentucky Lions Eye Clinic to help provide eye surgery and exams for those who cannot afford to pay.[21]

In 1995, Paul passed the certifying examination of the American Board of Ophthalmology, entitling him to describe himself as a "board-certified" ophthalmologist. In 1997, to protest the American Board of Ophthalmology's decision to grandfather in older ophthalmologists and not require them to be recertified every 10 years in order to maintain their status as board-certified practitioners, Paul, along with 200 other ophthalmologists, formed the National Board of Ophthalmology to offer an alternative ophthalmology certification system.[22] The National Board of Ophthalmology was incorporated in 1999, but Paul allowed it to be dissolved in 2000 after failing to file the required paperwork with the Kentucky Secretary of State's office for the organization to continue to operate. Paul later recreated the board in September 2005, three months before his original certification from the American Board of Ophthalmology was scheduled to expire. His American Board of Ophthalmology certification lapsed on December 31, 2005. Paul has since been certified by the National Board of Ophthalmology.[18] Paul's alternative ophthalmology board is not officially recognized by the American Board of Medical Specialties (ABMS).
 
wasn't an argument

was questions.

? = question

Oh, I didn't realize you were too dumb to know what I referring to.

Failed policy = health care reform, education reform - notice how dumb our country is these days. Yay for puclic education!

Scandals = Bengazi. Should have been a career ender. I won't even touch the 90's stuff

Fresh blood = Someone who doesn't want to start a war every chance he gets, who questions the drug war, who questions the NDAA, who questions the Federal Reserve. Hilary should learn a thing or tow, instead - she votes for Iraq war
 
And here we are, a month later, and you are still bragging about how little you know about her, other than how big of a poopypants she is, and flaunting your active refusal to even do the bare minimum of reading her wikipedia page. It's a wonder to behold.

I actually have read her wiki page. And I'm still curious about the hype. Can you help me out?
 
Oh, I didn't realize you were too dumb to know what I referring to.

Failed policy = health care reform, education reform - notice how dumb our country is these days. Yay for puclic education!

Scandals = Bengazi. Should have been a career ender. I won't even touch the 90's stuff

Fresh blood = Someone who doesn't want to start a war every chance he gets, who questions the drug war, who questions the NDAA, who questions the Federal Reserve. Hilary should learn a thing or tow, instead - she votes for Iraq war
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(A)
HRC participation in health care reform was at the committee level and could be seen as a legislative failure. It did however lay the ground work for a successful program in Mass and the eventual conversation - passage and reforms to our present system. A failure == perhaps on some levels. But like any other venture nothing chanced nothing gained. Let's see what comes of that gold standard thingy Sen Paul espouses . That- will be a failure because it ignores reality. There will not be a return to the gold standard . Like there was no return in the 1940's 50's 60's 70's 80's90's 00's or today. Like Meta pointed out a grandstanding scheme with no possible chance of being serious governance
I never voted for HRC based on her Iraq vote. Let me fix that -- I am not an enthusiastic HRC supporter based on her Iraq vote. I don't think she will get the '16 nomination due to that vote and guessing here I will never have to decide.

(B)
Oh those scandals. She was having an affair with Vince Foster when she had him killed. She's had numerous Lesbian affairs and the Whitewater stuff. She has been a know mporter of cocaine ... It is all out there for looking at.
And dont forget Bengazi
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/09/11/watch-as-a-benghazi-lie-is-shot-down-live-on-fo/195836

(C)
I too believe there should be fresh blood. But depends on who's body that blood is running through.
Fresh blood -- looks good on a bumper sticker
 
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(A)

HRC participation in health care reform was at the committee level and could be seen as a legislative failure. It did however lay the ground work for a successful program in Mass and the eventual conversation - passage and reforms to our present system. A failure == perhaps on some levels. But like any other venture nothing chanced nothing gained. Let's see what comes of that gold standard thingy Sen Paul espouses . That- will be a failure because it ignores reality. There will not be a return to the gold standard . Like there was no return in the 1940's 50's 60's 70's 80's90's 00's or today. Like Meta pointed out a grandstanding scheme with no possible chance of being serious governance

I never voted for HRC based on her Iraq vote. Let me fix that -- I am not an enthusiastic HRC supporter based on her Iraq vote. I don't think she will get the '16 nomination due to that vote and guessing here I will never have to decide.

(B)

Oh those scandals. She was having an affair with Vince Foster when she had him killed. She's had numerous Lesbian affairs and the Whitewater stuff. She has been a know mporter of cocaine ... It is all out there for looking at.

And dont forget Bengazi

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/09/11/watch-as-a-benghazi-lie-is-shot-down-live-on-fo/195836

(C)

I too believe there should be fresh blood. But depends on who's body that blood is running through.

Fresh blood -- looks good on a bumper sticker

I think you're only acceptable form of fresh blood has to have a (D) next to it
 
I actually have read her wiki page. And I'm still curious about the hype. Can you help me out?

If you've read her wiki page and are still posting things like:

The idea that Hilary Clinton is some sort of intellectual giant is hilarious. Her whole career has been a national healthcare system that failed and a Bengazi coverup that a non-corrupt government would have fired her for. To be honest, I don't know a ton about her accomplishments because I haven't cared enough to go looking for them. I know she doesn't understand how a successful economy should be run, and I know should couldn't give two ****s about individual liberty. I know she isn't even on the same intellectual planet as Dr. Paul. But hey, she's a Clinton, and she's a woman, so she will probably be President.

Then I am forced to assume you are either illiterate, trolling, or have that problem that the dude in Memento has. Maybe you should try tattooing stuff from the wiki page to random parts of your body.
 
If you've read her wiki page and are still posting things like:

The idea that Hilary Clinton is some sort of intellectual giant is hilarious. Her whole career has been a national healthcare system that failed and a Bengazi coverup that a non-corrupt government would have fired her for. To be honest, I don't know a ton about her accomplishments because I haven't cared enough to go looking for them. I know she doesn't understand how a successful economy should be run, and I know should couldn't give two ****s about individual liberty. I know she isn't even on the same intellectual planet as Dr. Paul. But hey, she's a Clinton, and she's a woman, so she will probably be President.

Then I am forced to assume you are either illiterate, trolling, or have that problem that the dude in Memento has. Maybe you should try tattooing stuff from the wiki page to random parts of your body.

As alway, attack the question, never provide an answer.
 
How do you define success & failure? Just to be simplistic: If Obama was able to raise the minimum wage to $15/hr, I would see that as a major failure while liberals would be dancing in the streets. If Rand Paul was elected and abolished the federal minimum wage, I would see that as a success and liberals wouldn't.

I don't deny HRC has been a major relevant political figure the past 2-3 decades, but success can be subjective.
 
What happened to Julio?

Sorry, real life beckoned temporarily.

But, with something between a sigh and a yawn . . .

This is where I was confused. You said he was a "joke" which I was wondering why you thought that. After asking you 4 times and still not getting a substantive answer, I accept that you have changed your argument to "he's a political lightweight who was elected because of his dad." OK.

Maybe I was just simplifying my argument so "simple-minded to downright stupid voters" could understand it.

Seriously. If you'd like for me to explain how "joke" is a figure of speech, and could be understood to be shorthand for "lightweight and unaccomplished," I will.

Definition #2, according to M-W is "something not to be taken seriously." Do you need me to parse that for you?

Talk about a simplistic viewpoint. You basically suggest that there is no room in congress for people who believe in limited government and low taxes.

Yeah, there are NONE of those in congress.

You suggest that there is no room in congress for anyone who tries to legislate based on his/her interpretation of the Constitution.

Nope, no room. Congress is to be composed solely of gibbering illiterates, and/or animals.

Because Rand Paul is a contrarian, he could have NEVER won without his last name.

What, you mean like Prince?

Well, not "never." But, in any case, not because he is a contrarian.

Of course, this doesn't explain how folks like Ted Cruz, Ron Paul, and Justin Amash got elected. I must have missed the "Amash dynasty"

I don't even know where to start with that. Ted Cruz was not the favored establishment candidate, but was hardly an unqualified nobody. I despise Cruz's politics and his style, but he is a person of some accomplishment and a veritable philosopher-king next to Rand Paul.

If Rand Smith, ophthalmologist, got Club for Growth and FreedomWorks to dump money into his primary campaign, he probably would have gotten elected. But that's just what I'm saying: is Rand Paul such an effective delivery device for a Tea Party message that, without his name, he'd attract money and attention in a way that dozens, if not hundreds, of unsuccessful primary candidates do not? Is he that charismatic and energetic? Does his message distinguish itself from, say, those of Lindsey Graham's primary opponents of the last couple of election cycles? What is it that is so unique about him?

Besides, Amash and the senior Paul are/were House members. House and Senate races are apples and oranges.

The idea that Hilary Clinton is some sort of intellectual giant is hilarious.

Well, degrees certainly aren't everything, but Clinton does have a J.D. from Yale Law and published in her area of expertise. She's been accused of being a lot of things, but stupid is not one of them.

But, a giant? I don't know. Just that she doesn't sound like a crank-addled spider monkey spewing conspiracy theories is probably enough for me.

Her whole career has been a national healthcare system that failed and a Bengazi coverup that a non-corrupt government would have fired her for.

Her whole career, huh?

To be honest, I don't know a ton about her accomplishments because I haven't cared enough to go looking for them.

Maybe, as has been suggested, you should check out her Wikipedia page. It's a pretty quick read.

I know she isn't even on the same intellectual planet as Dr. Paul.

Since she hasn't been goldbugging and predicting hyperinflation for the past three decades, this is a safe assumption.

But hey, she's a Clinton, and she's a woman, so she will probably be President.

Darn women, always getting elected President.

What are you even talking about? Do you have any evidence to suggest what you're saying is remotely true? Or is it just typical bull ****? You do understand that his father never accepted a pay raise while the rest of congress voted to raise theirs, he doesn't participate in the government pension program. He never accepted medicare or medicaid as a doctor - but would treat those patients for free if that is all they had.

I suppose his handling of his government salary and benefits is admirable. He must've netted enough from his bigoted and apocalyptic newsletters to make up the loss.

Of all people that could instill personal responsibility values into their kid, it's Ron Paul. I don't know what you're talking about with the "trust fund friends are entitled..." comment. But perhaps you have some substance to back it up that I'm not aware of. I'm happy to read it.

I'm extrapolating based on the fact that Rand Paul's budget seems to be an instrument designed to make the very rich even richer. I will repeat: the fact that he's a departure from GOP conventional wisdom on foreign policy does not mean that he is some kind of outsider, speaking truth to power. There's a reason that he is the fair-haired boy of FreedomWorks and Club for Growth. They are power. A vote for Rand Paul is a vote for plutocracy.

It sounds like you're just upset because he doesn't believe that poor people are entitled to anything that anyone else isn't entitled too. I know you are liberal, so you're going to have a problem with that. Nothing I can do to change your mind - but him having a constitutional and free market economic philosophy that you disagree with doesn't make him a "lightweight."

This is where I'm not sure if you're misunderstanding Rand Paul, me, or the thinkers who supposedly influenced the Drs. Paul. Many of them (Hayek, Friedman) accepted the legitimacy and necessity of social welfare. The mechanisms they promoted for effecting it were different, but they accepted the necessity of a social safety net. It's only the most disconnected kind of libertarian utopians who claim that it's not in the interest of a modern, wealthy society to guarantee the protection of its citizens against the vicissitudes of the market.

No, me thinking he's a lightweight has to do with the fact that he's a political legacy who brings nothing new to the table except some truly weird beliefs about monetary policy—and that's according to the AEI, not me. Everything else is just boilerplate—halving income taxes on the wealthiest, getting rid of cap gains and dividend taxes, etc.

More lightweight stuff? How about warning of the NAFTA superhighway? The North American Union? Returning to the gold standard?

Of course, we both know (I think) that Rand isn't anything close to a free market capitalist (unfortunately). His budget calls for some $3.8 trillion, so he doesn't indend on slowing down the spending machine much.

So dismantling the Departments of Education, Energy, Commerce, and HUD doesn't even rate an attaboy from you?

This is where, once again, you show your hypocrisy. You're attacking Rand's record as Senator in his 2.5 years. Of course, I suppose that wasn't a huge issue for you with Mr. Obama, whom I'd love to go on and on about his senate credentials when he won the Presidency of the United States, but unfortunately, there is nothing to go on about.

Yeah, Obama didn't have much of a track record in the Senate. If you want to compare their public service, though…Obama did serve in elected office for several years before being elected to the Senate, did work in public policy, did teach constitutional law at UC. Rand Paul treated glaucoma.

You're upset about his "spotlight grabbing", yet you agree with what he used to grab the spotlight (drones). That was a highly successful political move, and one a lightweight wouldn't have been able to pull off. Of course, I appreciated it for its substance, for which he received a response from the US AG.

Oh, right. You mean the part where he pretended that it took 13 hours of filibuster to get an answer to a question that had, in fact, been answered in testimony that morning? I applaud him for bringing attention to the issue. I giggle at his grandstanding.

You're upset about gold? You act as if gold is some crazy insane philisophical discussion that is so removed from reality that anyone who mentions it shouldn't be taken seriously. Only, gold was our money all the way until Nixon. And when gold was our money, our money didn't lose any value. Since federal reserve notes became our money, our money has lost 96% of its value. LOL at the cooky Rand for asking the question about going back to a sound currency.

I didn't say that. These folks pretty much did, though.

Sound currency backed by a relatively-valued, finite resource extracted from beneath the earth? That DOES sound like a recipe for stability. Besides, we never had an economic bust when we were on the gold standard . . . er, wait.

By the way . . . still waiting for that hyperinflation.

I'd like to hear your thoughts on the Civil Rights Act, too.
 
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