Braves Acquire Matt Adams From Cardinals

Hawk said:
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"I think the issue is not the FO lacking an understanding of what you have pointed out. It is the FO indulging a star player who does not understand the above.
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I'm not sure what you mean to be retorting or proving with that re-quote?

I don't see an implication that the FO thought the idea was "definitively bad", but went ahead anyways. I see an implication that the FO recognized that Matt Adams wasn't an 1.000-OPS player, but went ahead anyways—with the added implication that, perhaps, Freeman's personal enthusiasm for the idea stemmed from his not recognizing that Adams wasn't suddenly a 1.000-OPS player.

I like splitting hairs, but this horse isn't just dead, it's damn bald at this point.
 
jpx7 said:
I'm not sure what you mean to be retorting or proving with that re-quote?

I don't see an implication that the FO thought the idea was "definitively bad", but went ahead anyways. I see an implication that the FO recognized that Matt Adams wasn't an 1.000-OPS player, but went ahead anyways—with the added implication that, perhaps, Freeman's personal enthusiasm for the idea stemmed from his not recognizing that Adams wasn't suddenly a 1.000-OPS player.

I like splitting hairs, but this horse isn't just dead, it's damn bald at this point.
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It's stated in plain terms. The front office knew that Adams' performance at 1B was an aberration but indulged Freeman because ... Freeman? If that's the reality how is the disconnect between good baseball decision and bad baseball decision not even a little concerning?

The difference between 'put me in coach' and 'what do you think about this, coach?' is absolutely scrutable. If the FO thought this was a bad decision, on any level, it wouldn't have happened and it wouldn't have had anything to do with maiming Freeman's ego.
 
Hawk said:
It's stated in plain terms. The front office knew that Adams' performance at 1B was an aberration but indulged Freeman because ... Freeman?
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Those terms aren't so plain, since I read them quite differently.

Try this: The front office knew that Adams' performance at 1B was an aberration but indulged Freeman because there was limited risk, during this season, while the reward—even if Adams fell to .800-level OPS production—could nonetheless outweigh the cost of Freeman's downgrading the defense at third, given other current 3B options within the system. If it doesn't work, Freeman's indulged, Adams is right back to where he started the year (on the bench/trade-block), and the 2017 Braves are still a team that sits a hair to the bad side of mediocre.

(My objection to the whole experiment, for what it's worth, is there's no reward to be had—so any risk, however small, is silly. Adams isn't a long-term piece, to my mind, and I think the team should be tanking for one more season, anyways.)
 
jpx7 said:
Those terms aren't so plain, since I read them quite differently.

Try this: The front office knew that Adams' performance at 1B was an aberration but indulged Freeman because there was limited risk, during this season, while the reward—even if Adams fell to .800-level OPS production—could nonetheless outweigh the cost of Freeman's downgrading the defense at third, given other current 3B options within the system. If it doesn't work, Freeman's indulged, Adams is right back to where he started the year (on the bench/trade-block), and the 2017 Braves are still a team that sits a hair to the bad side of mediocre.

(My objection to the whole experiment, for what it's worth, is there's no reward to be had—so any risk, however small, is silly. Adams isn't a long-term piece, to my mind, and I think the team should be tanking for one more season, anyways.)
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You read them, and then you jump off on a tangent of your own logic (which I agree with, more or less, except for a few points [such as there being no reward] ... but, another time).

If he meant what you wrote, then, as you said, he could clarify ... but I feel like the absence of clarification kind of supports my interpretation.

Anyways, I'm content on putting this to bed as an unsolved mystery.
 
Hawk said:
You read them, and then you jump off on a tangent of your own logic (which I agree with, more or less, except for a few points [such as there being no reward] ... but, another time).

If he meant what you wrote, then, as you said, he could clarify ... but I feel like the absence of clarification kind of supports my interpretation.

Anyways, I'm content on putting this to bed as an unsolved mystery.
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You guys should be Talmudic scholars. Anyhow what is it I'm supposed to clarify. I think the FO knows better than to give too much weight to Adams small sample hot streak. I think Freddie probably is giving too much weight to it. I don't think the FO thinks Fredito to third is a good idea. They probably think it is a bad idea. But they don't see tremendous downside to trying it. So they are willing to indulge him.
 
nsacpi said:
You guys should be Talmudic scholars. Anyhow what is it I'm supposed to clarify. I think the FO knows better than to give too much weight to Adams small sample hot streak. I think Freddie probably is giving too much weight to it. I don't think the FO thinks Fredito to third is a good idea. They probably think it is a bad idea. But they don't see tremendous downside to trying it. So they are willing to indulge him.
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You should have put an apostrophe after Adams'.
 
Hawk said:
You read them, and then you jump off on a tangent of your own logic (which I agree with, more or less, except for a few points [such as there being no reward] ... but, another time).

If he meant what you wrote, then, as you said, he could clarify ... but I feel like the absence of clarification kind of supports my interpretation.

Anyways, I'm content on putting this to bed as an unsolved mystery.
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Nonsense - I'm getting Robert Stack on the horn

 
Hawk said:
It's stated in plain terms. The front office knew that Adams' performance at 1B was an aberration but indulged Freeman because ... Freeman? If that's the reality how is the disconnect between good baseball decision and bad baseball decision not even a little concerning?

The difference between 'put me in coach' and 'what do you think about this, coach?' is absolutely scrutable. If the FO thought this was a bad decision, on any level, it wouldn't have happened and it wouldn't have had anything to do with maiming Freeman's ego.
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Other decisions have been made with Freeman's direct input (i.e. the urgent need to acquire Olivera, the Snitker hiring, at least). So, at the very least, the org is going to seek his buy-in to sell an idea in the clubhouse. To be even more accurate, it's demonstrating quite clearly that this is to be Freeman's team.
 
Knucksie said:
Other decisions have been made with Freeman's direct input (i.e. the urgent need to acquire Olivera, the Snitker hiring, at least). So, at the very least, the org is going to seek his buy-in to sell an idea in the clubhouse. To be even more accurate, it's demonstrating quite clearly that this is to be Freeman's team.
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I agree with this, I just don't believe that Freeman can (or would) force the FO's hand on an operational/personnel decision.
 
Matt Adams' OPS values...

Career: .786
April 2017: .657
May 2017: .813
June 2017: 1.034
July 2017: .783

One of these things is not like the other....one of these things is not the same...

Who still thinks Smada has increased his trade value since joining the Braves?
 
I believe his psyche has been damaged by coming off the bench.

HR/FB rate at 19% though, which is still hanging in closer to his career high than his career average. You go Matt.
 
Knucksie said:
Other decisions have been made with Freeman's direct input (i.e. the urgent need to acquire Olivera, the Snitker hiring, at least). So, at the very least, the org is going to seek his buy-in to sell an idea in the clubhouse. To be even more accurate, it's demonstrating quite clearly that this is to be Freeman's team.
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Freeman is just like LeBron. Only white and kind of goofy-looking.
 
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If Adams gets that many hits in this series with the Phillies he all but guarantees himself an .850 OPS going into August.
 
Enscheff said:
Matt Adams' OPS values...

Career: .786

April 2017: .657

May 2017: .813

June 2017: 1.034

July 2017: .783

One of these things is not like the other....one of these things is not the same...

Who still thinks Smada has increased his trade value since joining the Braves?
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You are right. The April OPS is the only one that is below the major league average. That's what you meant, right?
 
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