sturg33
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Amash is the best, most principled, and most consistent politician on the hill. I don't need to pat him on the back for doing what I know he was going to do
The Trump Presidency
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Amash is the best, most principled, and most consistent politician on the hill. I don't need to pat him on the back for doing what I know he was going to do
sturg33
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Like I said, I know you refuse to denounce the violence, looting, threats, and setting things on fire. All good, in your weird little head
57Brave
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Why should I denounce, I am no ones spokesperson --- nor do I support violence looting etc.
But, I do understand it and the frustration from disrespect it wells from
Understanding is not condoning
and like I said, the issue surrounding yesterdays events is not nor should it be a left- right political football .
But, I do understand it and the frustration from disrespect it wells from
Understanding is not condoning
and like I said, the issue surrounding yesterdays events is not nor should it be a left- right political football .
57Brave
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If any good has or will come out of yesterday at least we get to put to bed the fallacy of "whataboutism"
Catch my drift ?
jpx7
Very Flirtatious, but Doubts What Love Is.
lol
I guess you disagree but the funding benefactors are known as is their political ideologies.
It is if we want to understand the true motive behind Fields' actions. You alluded to him being indoctrinated up-thread, would it not be useful to know by who and by what means?
To be clear, not every individual who participated in the protest yesterday was a member of a hate group, and the stated reason (the removal of the Robert E. Lee statue) for the protest was legitimate. It spun out of control because local law enforcement was grossly unprepared.
I'm going to poke here a little bit, but the cries from the usual sources about Trump's refusal to directly blame yesterday's violent events on white supremacy remind me a whole lot of the whining on the other side about Obama's refusal to call out protesters (err... 'dread head beer bottle throwers') in St. Louis, Charlotte, and Baltimore.
57Brave
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really ?
Maybe a little Buzzfeed might go a long way
That was like saying the 68 riots weren't over the war but overzealous police
There is always the thing before
the thing.
This riot began long before Friday with Tiki torches.
But, you knew that
really ?
Maybe a little Buzzfeed might go a long way
That was like saying the 68 riots weren't over the war but overzealous police
There is always the thing before
the thing.
This riot began long before Friday with Tiki torches.
But, you knew that
Do you know remember what that thing was?
Remember a little place called Ruby Ridge? Town called Waco?
I don't have a real opinion on the federal response to either, but I bring them up because those two incidents were rallying cries (and huge membership boosters) for the radical right. They also inspired lunatic fringe actors like Timothy McVeigh and Eric Rudolph. Gave a guy like Pat Buchanan a platform.
After yesterday, history repeating, except now we're apparently comfortable broad-brushing the **** out of all free speech advocates.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Funny that you called nsacpi out for pedantry.
So, homes, educate me: what are the goals of neo-nazis and white supremacists?
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Really just not getting this.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Hm. I can think of a couple of reasons why St. Louis/Charlotte/Bmore and Charlottesville are quite different.
Maybe I should have included a qualifier in my dread comment, too. I have an aesthetic prefeference that white peoples not wear dreads, and sometimes it clouds my judgement about antifa and John Jaso.
Why don't you quit side-stepping and answer my question?
Not to get all sturg here, but I've posed it twice now.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Christ. Your question is parsed specifically to avoid my comment, which I don't think is refutable. Killing, maiming, and terrorizing POC, leftists, and political opponents is absolutely aligned with the nazi and white supremacist cause.
Your question is about the organizers of the march, and, frankly, I think it's completely ****ing moot, but I'll answer it anyway, to the best of my ability. I don't know what their goals are, but given that David Duke et al were invited speakers, I feel pretty damned confident in saying that their goal is white supremacy and a white ethno-state, so I wouldn't dial back my original statement, at all. The historical klan was, foremost, an instrument of terror and intimidation. How is this different? How are people who claim the Nazi mantle not on board with blood in the streets?
I'm really surprised, in fact, that you'd object to this reasoning, and that you continue to try to normalize this stuff. Of course, I remember your saying that you thought the alt-right was the future, so perhaps I shouldn't be surprised.