The Trump Presidency

Hawk said:
What real things do you have to worry about? Fascists invading America?

'It's about making sure that everyone in Boston and New England feels welcome at Fenway Park.'

That's the position of the Red Sox. That's the reasoning I'm talking about. I want you to tell me how Yawkey Way (no, not the place, the name) makes Fenway Park racially dangerous.

You are stuck on another level, but I'd actually like to talk about the realities here.
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Facetiously says the guy who argues for "post"-fascism in favor of liberal democracy.
 
I don't think it's a big deal to keep that name or change it.

He's a business man and looking to protect his business best way he sees fit and most likely thinks he can get some good press that will make him more money by the name change. Just the market being the market

Things that are more serious to me than this? If I should have gone for Mexican or sushi for lunch for staters.

I went with sushi ftr
 
Spend some time reading the past couple of pages of the Confederate Monuments thread, and you'll see that I've tried to make it clear that my argument is about ideas--one in particular, and its historical resonance into today--and not at all about historical figures. And I'm quite content to line that up with advocacy of fascism any day.
 
Julio3000 said:
Spend some time reading the past couple of pages of the Confederate Monuments thread, and you'll see that I've tried to make it clear that my argument is about ideas--one in particular, and its historical resonance into today--and not at all about historical figures. And I'm quite content to line that up with advocacy of fascism any day.
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Oh, did you delete the post this was in response to?
 
Julio3000 said:
Spend some time reading the past couple of pages of the Confederate Monuments thread, and you'll see that I've tried to make it clear that my argument is about ideas--one in particular, and its historical resonance into today--and not at all about historical figures. And I'm quite content to line that up with advocacy of fascism any day.
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I see where you've tried to take one modern idea and transpose it onto one historical event, in isolation, pocketing the ensuing 150 years of history.
 
Hawk said:
Yes.
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FWIW, I, like many of us, have roots in the ol' family tree that extend to the CSA. If I had to guess, I'd say that you probably do, too. Mine include a prominent Virginian family whose scion has been very much at issue here. It's not something that I asked for or earned, so I don't think about it much. But if I'm not triggered by the "persecution of historical figures" (by pointing out that the propagation of myths about them has perpetuated white supremacy in the years 1865-) that I'm actually related to, I'm not sure why people are so touchy about it. They're dead, and can neither care nor defend themselves. They left us with a clear legacy that one can either own up to or sing pretty, but morally vacuous, songs about.
 
Hawk said:
I see where you've tried to take one modern idea and transpose it onto one historical event, in isolation, pocketing the ensuing 150 years of history.
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Oh, 'cuz that's an isolated event that is not representative of broader events. Come back stronger.
 
Julio3000 said:
FWIW, I, like many of us, have roots in the ol' family tree that extend to the CSA. If I had to guess, I'd say that you probably do, too. Mine include a prominent Virginian family whose scion has been very much at issue here. It's not something that I asked for or earned, so I don't think about it much. But if I'm not triggered by the "persecution of historical figures" (by pointing out that the propagation of myths about them has perpetuated white supremacy in the years 1865-) that I'm actually related to, I'm not sure why people are so touchy about it. They're dead, and can neither care nor defend themselves. They left us with a clear legacy that one can either own up to or sing pretty, but morally vacuous, songs about.
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If they are dead, and history has judged them, then why do you feel as though you'll find vindication by pulling them of the grave and putting them on what is nothing more than a show trial?
 
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