Russia Collusion Scandal (aka A Leftist fantasy)

Runnin said:
Mueller already has a strong case for collusion with the Papadopoulos confession and other circumstantial pieces, as well as proof Sessions has lied to Congress at least twice.
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Yeah, why does it not matter to these people that Sessions lied to congress multiple times? That is absolutely certain.
 
cajunrevenge said:
So where's the civil asset forfeiture. I bet these guys have some nice houses and cars. We got people sitting in jail awaiting trial for pot possession who had their car and home stolen from them but someone charged with conspiracy against America and he gets to sit in his nice ass house under house arrest?

Its funny in the government guide tocivil asset forfeiture they specifically talk about going after anything of significant value. They even tell them to bring an appraiser with them.
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I agree with your underlying point, but fwiw, they're definitely going to try to take his stuff. It's in the indictment.
 
Runnin said:
Mueller already has a strong case for collusion with the Papadopoulos confession and other circumstantial pieces, as well as proof Sessions has lied to Congress at least twice.
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The dots are not hard to connect. His final report (assuming he is allowed to finish his job) is likely to point to the Trump campaign's willingness indeed eagerness to receive assistance from the Russians.

Remaining points of interest:

1) Who else gets indicted and for what. The list of people in legal jeopardy is quite long and goes up to Trump and Pence.

2) Who flips.

3) Additional details of collaboration between the Trump campaign and the Russians.

4) What Mueller does with the obstruction issues that arise from Trump's interactions with and eventual firing of Comey. He could do nothing, indict Trump, or send a report to Congress. Again assuming he is allowed to finish his work.

5) Whether Mueller charges others (as he did with Manafort and Gates) for crimes not related or incidental (such as perjury and failing to file accurate disclosure documents) to collusion with the Russians but uncovered in the course of his investigation. Again the list of people in legal jeopardy is quite long. And the indictments of Manafort and Gates suggest that Mueller is likely to pursue such cases.

6) Whether the Congressional investigations turn out to be travesties or substantial investigations.

7) Whether the findings of Mueller and the congressional investigators lead to impeachment charges or Trump's resignation.

8) Related to the above is the political fallout, including results of the 2018 mid-terms.

That's a lot that will be keeping this thread active and interesting for at least the next year. But I think the basic question of collusion has been answered in the affirmative.
 
I hope Trump fights to the end. His deposition and impeachment hearings will be all kinds of great. I cant wait for that moment when Pence turns on Trump. Who needs house of cards when we have this.
 
nsacpi said:
The dots are not hard to connect. ... But I think the basic question of collusion has been answered in the affirmative.
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There's also multiple people around Trump, including Trump himself, repeatedly lying about their Russian contact and connection, giving the appearance that they at least thought they were doing something wrong.
 
Runnin said:
There's also multiple people around Trump, including Trump himself, repeatedly lying about their Russian contact and connection, giving the appearance that they at least thought they were doing something wrong.
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With most people it could be construed as an indication of trying to hide something. With Trump, a reasonable case can be made that he just lies about pretty much everything, so no inference can be made.
 
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nsacpi said:
With most people it could be construed as an indication of trying to hide something. With Trump, a reasonable case can be made that he just lies about pretty much everything, so no inference can be made.
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Yes, there is that.

Another defense could be that no one would be so stupid to court Russia's help without trying to hide it better, but by now we know him too well for that.
 
Runnin said:
Yes, there is that.

Another defense could be that no one would be so stupid to court Russia's help without trying to hide it better, but by now we know him too well for that.
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He also has done a good job lining up an insanity or mental incapacity defense.
 
https://www.politico.com/story/2017/10/31/tony-podesta-lobbyists-mueller-manafort-244389?lo=ap_d1

Podesta's downfall sends shock waves through K Street
Washington lobbyists who represent foreign powers have taken comfort for decades in the fact that the Justice Department rarely goes after them for potentially breaking the law. That all changed on Monday.

The news of Tony Podesta’s resignation from his namesake firm and indictment of Paul Manafort and Rick Gates sent K Street scrambling, as lobbyists rushed to make sure they’re in compliance with the rules. The developments also renewed calls for Congress to pass legislation beefing up the Justice Department’s enforcement of the law, which lawmakers in both parties have derided for lacking teeth.

“Firms are going to be even more careful than they have been in the past in the foreign lobbying arena,” said Trent Lott, the former Senate majority leader who’s now a lobbyist at Squire Patton Boggs, where his foreign clients have included Saudi Arabia and Turkey.

Lobbyists may start to be more selective about which foreign clients they’ll work for and avoid ones like the nonprofit that hired the Podesta Group and Mercury. That outfit was ostensibly independent, but prosecutors allege it was really under the control of the Ukrainian president.
 
"Mueller is going to go over every financial dealing of Jared Kushner and the Trump Organization,"
-Sam Nunberg (ex trump aide)
 
Julio3000 said:
Exporting our political-consultant class may be out worst overseas intervention yet.
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Exporting Bureau of Reclamation "expertise" after running out of viable (and even non-viable) dam locations in the US has to be up there, as well.
 
57Brave said:
quite a story from the writer that wrote of the dossier last year at this time:

http://www.motherjones.com/politics...on-4-years-ago-and-the-company-never-noticed/

maybe Trump didn't know ??
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Just to state the obvious, the swamping of Facebook with fake political ads from Russia only makes things look worse for Trump. Clearly this was a highly orchestrated and serious effort from Moscow. Impossible to believe Trump wasn't mixed up in it up to his necktie. All that talk of "fake news" was just his clever way of hiding in plain sight. Good liars know the best lies are ones that contain an element of truth. If Fake News was going to help him win, the smart play would be to start accusing the other side of it. Trump is nothing if not a seasoned liar.

Not many pieces of the puzzle left. I do hope Trump fights it to the end.
 
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