Late Night Talk Show Thread: (9/9/'15 Late Show w/ Stephen Colbert Begins)

Rumors of Colbert being demoted down the clock are starting to be louder and louder.

Called Colbert sucking before it happened. Dudes a gimmick.
 
Krgrecw said:
Rumors of Colbert being demoted down the clock are starting to be louder and louder.

Called Colbert sucking before it happened. Dudes a gimmick.
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He's not a gimmick. He's too talented for the late night shtick.

I thought it was a mistake.
 
Krgrecw said:
Rumors of Colbert being demoted down the clock are starting to be louder and louder.

Called Colbert sucking before it happened. Dudes a gimmick.
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Interesting. Who the hell would they replace him with?

For me, I was a huge Craig Ferguson guy. They should have at least tried to move Ferguson to 1130 even though his show was probably a bit too much for the 1130 crowd. I think he would have done well at 1130. He's very adaptable and he makes interviews go from boring to hilariously interesting.

I gave Corden a try for a few days and didn't like it. I see his Car Karaoke stuff on social media but have never watched it. I just loved Ferguson's show because it never took itself serious and his humor was a lot of IDGAF.
 
Forever Fredi said:
Interesting. Who the hell would they replace him with?

For me, I was a huge Craig Ferguson guy. They should have at least tried to move Ferguson to 1130 even though his show was probably a bit too much for the 1130 crowd. I think he would have done well at 1130. He's very adaptable and he makes interviews go from boring to hilariously interesting.

I gave Corden a try for a few days and didn't like it. I see his Car Karaoke stuff on social media but have never watched it. I just loved Ferguson's show because it never took itself serious and his humor was a lot of IDGAF.
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Word was that Corden was going to move up
 
Krgrecw said:
Word was that Corden was going to move up
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Googled it, doubt it'd be that way.

Also doubt Colbert would accept a demotion to 12:30. I bet he'd rather go back to Comedy Central at 11:30, and I'm sure Comedy Central would pay him a ton to do it now that Wilmore's show got cancelled and Daily Show is getting crap ratings.

I also would be very pissed at CBS for letting Ferguson go and giving Corden 11:30 when Ferguson was way funnier and entertaining htan Corden.
 
Krgrecw said:
Was Ferguson fired or did he quit when he didn't move up?
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Quit. I don't remember if he was promised the gig but he did have a clause in his contract that if he wasn't offered Letterman's job (Letterman's tv production company owned Ferguson's show) he would either get a handsome pay raise or a huge buyout.
 
Runnin said:
Ferguson said he was tired of doing the show but I think he's the best of the bunch, at least in that role.
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He definitely took the high road. He had a clause in his contract at the time that if he wasn't given Dave's job he would get a nice raise to stay at 1230 or a nice bonus buyout.

I think if he went to 1130 he would have stayed and done well.
 
I'm partial to Colbert, but I can understand some of the consternation. I think part of his problem is that a fair segment of the viewership that migrated over from his Comedy Central show thought his new show would be an extension of his previous work. I think the other problem is his demographic runs a bit to the Boomer side of the ledger and Corden's runs younger. Corden has come up with a couple of gimmicks that are really working for him and his show seems more tech savvy with the ready-made clips for viral distribution (Fallon is also very successful with that style). That's not Colbert's strength. His show is clearly more old school.
 
50PoundHead said:
I'm partial to Colbert, but I can understand some of the consternation. I think part of his problem is that a fair segment of the viewership that migrated over from his Comedy Central show thought his new show would be an extension of his previous work. I think the other problem is his demographic runs a bit to the Boomer side of the ledger and Corden's runs younger. Corden has come up with a couple of gimmicks that are really working for him and his show seems more tech savvy with the ready-made clips for viral distribution (Fallon is also very successful with that style). That's not Colbert's strength. His show is clearly more old school.
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Much more than ratings—which have been quite solid, though they haven't eclipsed Fallon (whose popularity I admit I just don't understand, I'm sure in part because I'm not a mid-forties suburban mom)—I think it's this area that has caused disappointment out of CBS, since they see it as the Next Big Arena. Scratch that: I know it's CBS' biggest locus of disappointment, because they've said as much. But I think a good share of the blame for that fails at CBS' feet, as Comedy Central never asked Colbert or his writers to produce digital content, it was never an important component of his previous show, and in general Comedy Central pretty much took care of all the online nonsense. I hope both CBS and The Last Show's writer's room are able to improve in the area, as I think otherwise Colbert has done a good job negotiating his first year—and I think, moreover, he's just basically funnier than any of the other late night folks (including his fellow TDS alumni).
 
Count me in as another that doesn't understand Fallon's popularity.

But then again as 50 said the hot ticket is online clips and their views. Colbert runs a traditional talk show. Corded is much more entertainment.

What's crazy is CBS brought in Colbert because of how popular he is amongst millenials. I think he's way more popular than Fallon
 
Forever Fredi said:
Count me in as another that doesn't understand Fallon's popularity.

But then again as 50 said the hot ticket is online clips and their views. Colbert runs a traditional talk show. Corded is much more entertainment.

What's crazy is CBS brought in Colbert because of how popular he is amongst millenials. I think he's way more popular than Fallon
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I'm not going to argue with Lorne Michaels' genius, but I could never understand how Fallon managed to survive on SNL as long as he did (unless constantly breaking character in skits was considered part of his act). I think Fallon is pretty light and maybe that's what works on late night now. I can't remember Carson bringing many non-entertainment heavyweights on the show, which Colbert does (though less recently than he did in his first few months). I just think Colbert's show is so much smarter in a lot of ways than his competition, but again, maybe folks want a few jokes and nothing more before heading off to bed.
 
50PoundHead said:
I'm not going to argue with Lorne Michaels' genius, but I could never understand how Fallon managed to survive on SNL as long as he did (unless constantly breaking character in skits was considered part of his act). I think Fallon is pretty light and maybe that's what works on late night now. I can't remember Carson bringing many non-entertainment heavyweights on the show, which Colbert does (though less recently than he did in his first few months). I just think Colbert's show is so much smarter in a lot of ways than his competition, but again, maybe folks want a few jokes and nothing more before heading off to bed.
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I liked Leno for that reason. On days I'd stay up Ferguson was awesome to watch at 1am. Even when I'd dvr Ferguson it was awesome.
 
50PoundHead said:
I'm not going to argue with Lorne Michaels' genius, but I could never understand how Fallon managed to survive on SNL as long as he did (unless constantly breaking character in skits was considered part of his act). I think Fallon is pretty light and maybe that's what works on late night now. I can't remember Carson bringing many non-entertainment heavyweights on the show, which Colbert does (though less recently than he did in his first few months). I just think Colbert's show is so much smarter in a lot of ways than his competition, but again, maybe folks want a few jokes and nothing more before heading off to bed.
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Yeah. I don't get Fallon. He has some good bits here and there, but not enough to keep me. Colbert is really good. I love him, but only late night show I watch regularly is Conan and Last Week Tonight.
 
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