Megathread: Braves lose Maitan, Bae and 10+ plus International Sanctions.

Southcack77 said:
The scape goat take was pretty lacking in logic to begin with, but now it's an insane take.

Coppy was fired because he got caught cheating in an unprecedented manner that has cost the Braves four or five international signing classes.

No one would have survived this and his firing was soundly merited based on just this one thing and dismissing any other factor. Given he has a lifetime ban, it is a forgone conclusion that every single organization would have fired him in same circumstance.

To continue to try and suggest otherwise is just a pretty sad attempt to skirt around being totally and completely off base about something.
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Lol Hart fired Coppy and Blakely in an attempt to save his ass. The attempt failed.

Just because it didn’t work doesn’t mean they weren’t scapegoated.

So dense...
 
Enscheff said:
Hart absolutely tried to use Coppy as a scapegoat. It backfired, and the end result was Blakely spilling all the beans and making the penalty 10x worse than it would have been.

But yeah, go ahead and keep with your storyline.
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From the account given by DOB, the Blakeley meeting was about how much Hart knew. Following Manfred’s logic from the statement, I would presume that these penalties would have been the same either way.

The Braves absolutely did scapegoat Coppy though and only now is it evident that they were justified.
 
striker42 said:
I think Passan's article mentioned that.
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The Braves lost contracts because they circumvented the system and lied about bonuses and funneled money illegally, not because they had agreements in place before the signing period opened.

The biggest mistake in judgment in all of this was funneling money thought Toscano to preserve the Braves signing power the following season. If they'd just forgone signing that extra guy or two that season, they would not have Maitan or most of the rest it appears. Stupid. Greedy.
 
chop2chip said:
From the account given by DOB, the Blakeley meeting was about how much Hart knew. Following Manfred’s logic from the statement, I would presume that these penalties would have been the same either way.

The Braves absolutely did scapegoat Coppy though and only now is it evident that they were justified.
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Firing someone for reasons that you are totally justified in firing them for is not scape goating.

Do you mean that they hoped that firing Coppy with all the cause in the world would help their penalty? I guess they might have hoped. That's not what the phrase means though.
 
chop2chip said:
From the account given by DOB, the Blakeley meeting was about how much Hart knew. Following Manfred’s logic from the statement, I would presume that these penalties would have been the same either way.

The Braves absolutely did scapegoat Coppy though and only now is it evident that they were justified.
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So all the rumors about a divided FO are also untrue?

When the Braves decease their payroll in 2018 that isn’t a sign they missed revenue projections?

You need a blatant statement from someone to piece these things together?

Logic is hard for some people I suppose.
 
Southcack77 said:
Firing someone for reasons that you are totally justified in firing them for is not scape goating.

Do you mean that they hoped that firing Coppy with all the cause in the world would help their penalty? I guess they might have hoped. That's not what the phrase means though.
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Okay. Lose the term scapegoat.

It reminds me of the scene from Game of Thrones where the three slave masters of Slavers Bay are brought before Khaleesi and they are told that two of three will be allowed to live. Coppy is the guy the other two throw to the wolves to try to save their own life.

In other words, everyone is guilty, but a few thought Coppy could be the one to fall on the sword. He was both scapegoated and deserving.

I just sincerely hope Blakeley sinks the ship.
 
weso1 said:
I don't mind the players being gone, because had Coppy not cheated we likely wouldn't have signed them anyway. Seems reasonable enough to me, and they were so young that fans really hadn't become attached to them.

I just don't see the point of the extremely harsh future penalties. I mean a ban for life is a pretty damn good deterrent.
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I think that like others said, they're harsh because MLB knew the Braves wouldn't fight back.

Two things that I keep thinking while I fume about this

1. This would have never happened if Stan Kasten was still here.

2. Good luck getting any other taxpayer funded parks built now that you've set fire to the most recent franchise to accomplish that.
 
Lol at people blaming MLB for this. Sue over what? For doing **** we weren't supposed to be doing? Best you can do is rat on other teams if they were into this mess which a few probably are. We got conned by shady ass Johns who acted like they knew everything about running a successful organization. What a dumpster fire this is.
 
Enscheff said:
So all the rumors about a divided FO are also untrue?

When the Braves decease their payroll in 2018 that isn’t a sign they missed revenue projections?

You need a blatant statement from someone to piece these things together?

Logic is hard for some people I suppose.
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Oliver Stone would have the best time shooting the **** with you.

While your busy solving these mysteries, can you tell us who the Zodiac killer is?
 
So what does this mean in regards to money potentially being added to other methods of obtaining players? Will the money not spent on international players be added to free agency or the draft? Will it just go back into the coffers?
 
I'm curious to know why whoever the Braves dealt with when negotiating these bonuses are not being punished. Seems like it takes two parties to circumvent these rules and yet no punishments are being given out on the other side.
 
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Jaw said:
I think that like others said, they're harsh because MLB knew the Braves wouldn't fight back.

Two things that I keep thinking while I fume about this

1. This would have never happened if Stan Kasten was still here.

2. Good luck getting any other taxpayer funded parks built now that you've set fire to the most recent franchise to accomplish that.
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The Braves are cucks.
 
When someone has no facts or logic to back up their argument they predictably resort to arguing over semantics.

The word of debate now: scapegoat.
 
bravesnumberone said:
Lol at people blaming MLB for this. Sue over what? For doing **** we weren't supposed to be doing? Best you can do is rat on other teams if they were into this mess which a few probably are. We got conned by shady ass Johns who acted like they knew everything about running a successful organization. What a dumpster fire this is.
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Seriously. The loss of players was all completely logical once the Toscano piece falls into place. I didn't really see that coming though it sure seems obvious in retrospect given how weird that whole thing was.

The Braves lost them because they were dumbasses and had to play games the year before their blowout class. If they had not have done that, they'd probably still have control of most of these players. Just so dumb. And blatant. And arrogant.
 
Southcack77 said:
The Braves lost contracts because they circumvented the system and lied about bonuses and funneled money illegally, not because they had agreements in place before the signing period opened.

The biggest mistake in judgment in all of this was funneling money thought Toscano to preserve the Braves signing power the following season. If they'd just forgone signing that extra guy or two that season, they would not have Maitan or most of the rest it appears. Stupid. Greedy.
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I think the early agreement in question was Puason.
 
chop2chip said:
I’m sorry. I’m still trying to parse yesterday’s theory that Coppy was fired because he had Excel downloaded on his work computer.
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It will be hilarious To hear your explanation of why the Braves 2018 payroll is closer to 110 million than 125 million
 
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