Russia Collusion Scandal (aka A Leftist fantasy)

bravesnumberone said:
If there was a deep state capable of "taking over" they would have taken out Trump a while ago. Just stop it dude.
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Have you not been watching the last year? They've tried but luckily our framers have build a beautiful governmental system that is difficult to overcome.

Keep pretending it doesn't exist. There will be more information that comes out over time about this and other clear indications a shadow government exists.
 
thethe said:
Knew you'd show yourself with this news.

Is this big?
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I'm a bit surprised Mueller didn't do this sooner. I think however that taking this step could provoke Trump into trying to terminate the investigation. It is not directly related to the mission Mueller is charged with. But it could provide some background information into how a quid pro quo was executed.
 
nsacpi said:
I'm a bit surprised Mueller didn't do this sooner. I think however that taking this step could provoke Trump into trying to terminate the investigation. It is not directly related to the mission Mueller is charged with. But it could provide some background information into how a quid pro quo was executed.
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Just read an article saying just that. Hopefully trump does not take the bait. Mueller got nothing on collusion.
 
nsacpi said:
I'm a bit surprised Mueller didn't do this sooner. I think however that taking this step could provoke Trump into trying to terminate the investigation. It is not directly related to the mission Mueller is charged with. But it could provide some background information into how a quid pro quo was executed.
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How far back can that be demonstrated. Would a real estate deal from 15 years ago qualify? Also, at some point you have to prove the 'pro'.
 
thethe said:
Have you not been watching the last year? They've tried but luckily our framers have build a beautiful governmental system that is difficult to overcome.

Keep pretending it doesn't exist. There will be more information that comes out over time about this and other clear indications a shadow government exists.
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You just answered your own question as to why the FBI might not immediately skip to the call of another branch of government asking for information that might be politically motivated. Separation of powers. Congress has oversight powers but there's always tension. Now and in every other similar case.
 
Julio3000 said:
You just answered your own question as to why the FBI might not immediately skip to the call of another branch of government asking for information that might be politically motivated. Separation of powers. Congress has oversight powers but there's always tension. Now and in every other similar case.
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They are constitutionally required to respond to Congress. Anything else breeds suspsicion as to wrongdoing.

To simply dismiss this as normal is absurd.
 
thethe said:
How far back can that be demonstrated. Would a real estate deal from 15 years ago qualify? Also, at some point you have to prove the 'pro'.
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If there was a quid pro quo it might have been carried out via pre-existing networks of relationships between Trump and his campaign on the one hand and the Russians and Russian-connected entities on the other. The Deutsche records might help with understanding those networks.

But there is also the risk to Trump that in the course of reviewing the material from Deutsche Mueller will uncover evidence of other unrelated crimes. I think that risk is something that has been hanging over him for a while now.
 
nsacpi said:
If there was a quid pro quo it would likely have been carried out via pre-existing networks of relationships between Trump and his campaign on the one hand and the Russians and Russian-connected entities on the other. The Deutsche records might help with understanding those networks.

But there is also the risk to Trump that in the course of reviewing the material from Deutsche Mueller will uncover evidence of other unrelated crimes. I think that risk is something that has been hanging over him for a while now.
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Again...find collusion then get rid of trump.

You try to do that with anything else and you're inviting a civil war.
 
thethe said:
Again...find collusion then get rid of trump.

You try to do that with anything else and you're inviting a civil war.
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The public interest (hate to use such a high-minded phrase) is best served by letting the investigation proceed and letting the chips fall where they may.
 
nsacpi said:
The public interest (hate to use such a high-minded phrase) is best served by letting the investigation proceed and letting the chips fall where they may.
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Yeah but a decent amount of people have always and will always think there was collusion no matter how many times the prosecution says there isn’t.
 
Krgrecw said:
Yeah but a decent amount of people have always and will always think there was collusion no matter how many times the prosecution says there isn’t.
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Well some people will hold to their beliefs no matter what. But that to me is not an argument against trying to find out what actually happened. I think the public interest is best served here by having Mueller conduct a thorough investigation and presenting his conclusions regarding Russian activities pertaining to the elections.
 
I think it's strange that the administration, immediately upon taking office, moved to rescind the existing sanctions placed on Russia after the invasion of Crimea. Keep in mind that this is in the wake of Russia's campaign of election espionage and interference.

Considering that sanctions relief was #1 on their wishlist, it seems like a pretty pathetic deal in exchange for Russian assistance against ISIS.

When you consider that fact in light of the curious series of coincidences and lies I previously outlined, it seems fairly reasonable to suggest that it should be investigated. I don't see what is outrageous or unduly emotional about that.
 
Julio3000 said:
I think it's strange that the administration, immediately upon taking office, moved to rescind the existing sanctions placed on Russia after the invasion of Crimea. Keep in mind that this is in the wake of Russia's campaign of election espionage and interference.

Considering that sanctions relief was #1 on their wishlist, it seems like a pretty pathetic deal in exchange for Russian assistance against ISIS.

When you consider that fact in light of the curious series of coincidences and lies I previously outlined, it seems fairly reasonable to suggest that it should be investigated. I don't see what is outrageous or unduly emotional about that.
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Plus the possibility still exists that it is all innocuous. If so, then an investigation will reveal that as well. I would hope. We have to keep in mind that the chairmen of all the congressional committees carrying out investigations are Republican. Mueller is a Republican. Mueller's boss at the Justice Department, Rod Rosentstein, is a Republican. He was appointed by Trump after being recommended by Sessions and approved by the Senate. The current head of the FBI was appointed by Trump.
 
Julio3000 said:
I think it's strange that the administration, immediately upon taking office, moved to rescind the existing sanctions placed on Russia after the invasion of Crimea. Keep in mind that this is in the wake of Russia's campaign of election espionage and interference.

Considering that sanctions relief was #1 on their wishlist, it seems like a pretty pathetic deal in exchange for Russian assistance against ISIS.

When you consider that fact in light of the curious series of coincidences and lies I previously outlined, it seems fairly reasonable to suggest that it should be investigated. I don't see what is outrageous or unduly emotional about that.
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I think it's a reasonable deal considering radical Islam is the number 1 threat to world peace. Glad we have someone that is leading the charge to exterminate the vermin.
 
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