The Trump Presidency

Julio3000 said:
Um, I'm not an immigrant. I can't think of anything I've ever said that suggests that. If I wrote something that gave you that impression, mea culpa.

But surely you understand the difference between DACA being politically important and dreamers=votes.

Actively courting Latinx votes is not a devious end. It's politics. So is courting anti-immigration votes. It's how elections work. And I'd argue that it is possible for policy preferences and politics to overlap.

FWIW, most DACA beneficiaries are in big blue states, and Texas.
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The Latinos that are here legally is completely different. They should vote however their heart desires. The left has supported open borders as a method to get votes. There is no sensible reason to import low educated low skill workers into a country that already has plenty of those.

Also, the left has desires on flipping Texas. They believe the large Latino population is the start and then letting as many illegals in the country as possible is a method to turn it completely. This is accomplished either by letter illegals vote, which they do, or hoping their next generation votes Democrat.
 
Runnin said:
This is hogwash. Immigrants are free to vote any way they want to, or not vote at all, like most Americans. Another example of how politics, for the GOP, is all about race, and specifically, denying people of color their rightful seat at the table of government and society.
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You realize that Tim Scott is most likely going to be the GOP candidate in 2024 right?
 
Runnin said:
Since you brought it up, Trump's wall and his whole immigration policy is really just an attempt to slow down the un-whitening of the demographic which doesn't bode well for the GOP. It isn't about security; it's about votes.
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Yeah...it has nothing to do with illegal immigration and evidence that illegals are committing crimes at a much higher rate than citizens. Fools.

You need those votes. That's why the left wants nothing to do with voter ID laws.
 
thethe said:
The Latinos that are here legally is completely different. They should vote however their heart desires. The left has supported open borders as a method to get votes. There is no sensible reason to import low educated low skill workers into a country that already has plenty of those.
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Further, latino communities are the one mostly impacted by illegal immigrants. Polls show that a large portion of them support crackdowns on illegals entering the country.

Most people support DACA. That is clear from the polling. Wish it weren't the case but if a majority of the people support something in this county then I believe that should pass even if I personally am against it.
 
thethe said:
Yeah...it has nothing to do with illegal immigration and evidence that illegals are committing crimes at a much higher rate than citizens. Fools.

You need those votes. That's why the left wants nothing to do with voter ID laws.
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Bruh.

I thought we had covered that one already.

We disagree a fair amount about immigration, but my contention on this subject has more to do with the way we talk about it. Reasonable people can discuss policy without demogoguing entire swaths of people as criminals or terrorists or gang-bangers.
 
Julio3000 said:
Bruh.

I thought we had covered that one already.

We disagree a fair amount about immigration, but my contention on this subject has more to do with the way we talk about it. Reasonable people can discuss policy without demogoguing entire swaths of people as criminals or terrorists or gang-bangers.
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The only data we have at this time shows that point. Argue about the context of the data all you want but that is all we have to go on. Forgive me for extrapolating.

Mexico is a an absolute disaster. Its not a stretch to assume that a percentage of those people ILLEGALLY crossing the border have ill intentions. The drug trade is real and those are a good portion of the people sneaking into the US to sell their warez.
 
thethe said:
The only data we have at this time shows that point. Argue about the context of the data all you want but that is all we have to go on. Forgive me for extrapolating.

Mexico is a an absolute disaster. Its not a stretch to assume that a percentage of those people ILLEGALLY crossing the border have ill intentions. The drug trade is real and those are a good portion of the people sneaking into the US to sell their warez.
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The only data if you ignore the rest of the data.
 
Julio3000 said:
The only data if you ignore the rest of the data.
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Please share the data you are looking at and I will happy to read it.

But again - Intuitively its not hard to see a scenario where the less savory sector of Mexican society is trying to get into America. Also, I have to add that its not just Mexicans but the rest of Latin America that is illegally coming into the US through Mexico. Ignore the problem all you want but it happens.

I still want to know how illegal immigration benefits the host country.
 
thethe said:
Please share the data you are looking at and I will happy to read it.

But again - Intuitively its not hard to see a scenario where the less savory sector of Mexican society is trying to get into America. Also, I have to add that its not just Mexicans but the rest of Latin America that is illegally coming into the US through Mexico. Ignore the problem all you want but it happens.

I still want to know how illegal immigration benefits the host country.
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After twice losing a long post calling you an idiot I am just going to give up and call you an idiot. Maybe I will try again later.
 
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Again, why all the concern about crime now, when crime is in a long decline? Perhaps because it's an effective way to manipulate people's fear of immigration, which the GOP is afraid of.
 
Runnin said:
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Again, why all the concern about crime now, when crime is in a long decline? Perhaps because it's an effective way to manipulate people's fear of immigration, which the GOP is afraid of.
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I was gonna say this, but meaner and more about the war on drugs being the reason Mexico sucks so much.
 
Runnin said:
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Again, why all the concern about crime now, when crime is in a long decline? Perhaps because it's an effective way to manipulate people's fear of immigration, which the GOP is afraid of.
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So The rates of crime have decreased while the numbers of prisoners has exploded? We can thank bill Clinton for the nice drop in crime.
 
thethe said:
You realize that Tim Scott is most likely going to be the GOP candidate in 2024 right?
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Now now thethe. This wasn't nice. You know how hard people have to work to ignore the popularity of Tim Scott, Herman Cain, Ben Carson, etc. when they talk about the racism of the GOP.
 
Jaw said:
Now now thethe. This wasn't nice. You know how hard people have to work to ignore the popularity of Tim Scott, Herman Cain, Ben Carson, etc. when they talk about the racism of the GOP.
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They just don't get it. We Conservatives want to free minorities from the plantation mindset that the leftists have. Just let me give you free stuff for votes!
 
I'm more pleased than not with the Trump presidency, but I still wonder what a Cain presidency would have been like. He also wanted to simplify taxes and regulations to grow the economy. He was from a VERY humble background, has more small business knowledge, is slightly more personable, and wouldn't be thought of as a racist.

Dr. Carson is more of an unknown on the economy, but he did say the right things. He was probably the most intelligent presidential candidate of my lifetime. I had high hopes for both. I hope the GOP can do a better job of promoting minority candidates in the future, because I really think both of these guys had the potential to be great at the job.
 
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