The Trump Presidency

thethe said:
You have actually backed off of describing your true beliefs and have chosen to profess a more mainstream viewpoint on your core issues. I know where you stand and I think your history shows the same. Call me inhumane for my stance on many issues thats fine. You support a far more destructive ideology and that has been proven historically.
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What are you even talking about?
 
jpx7 said:
What are you even talking about?
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If you had it your way we would all be under a communist style of government. You know - the system that has killed over a 100 million people in the last 150 years and restricted the rights of people throughout the world?
 
thethe said:
If you had it your way we would all be under a communist style of government. You know - the system that has killed over a 100 million people in the last 150 years and restricted the rights of people throughout the world?
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False. I’ve never advocated communism.

Nonetheless: capitalism has killed many more than communism over the same span. So: false twice over.
 
jpx7 said:
Yes of their own peoples. And it looks even worse for capitalism if you widen the scope from 20th century to include 19th and 18th centuries.
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Can you provide some more clarity on your contention? Where specifically in the 20th century did this happen?
 
thethe said:
This is my edit from the above post:

Edit: There is an obvious inference that the age of the illegals in prison population coincide with the DACA age illegals. I think that with this population, as with any population in statistical analysis, allows extrapolation when said population is relatively homogeneous.
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Just to make sure I'm understanding your position, you're making an argument against DACA because similarly aged undocumented immigrants are in prison? Even though the kids would not qualify for the program if they committed such crimes, and had to register with the US Government?
 
mqt said:
Just to make sure I'm understanding your position, you're making an argument against DACA because similarly aged undocumented immigrants are in prison? Even though the kids would not qualify for the program if they committed such crimes, and had to register with the US Government?
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For starters we don't know what type of documentation procedures happen in these jails but I have no basis of proving this point but just a hunch.

However, when you have people from the same areas and similar upbringings then yes you can extrapolate results from a statistical analysis.
 
thethe said:
For starters we don't know what type of documentation procedures happen in these jails but I have no basis of proving this point but just a hunch.

However, when you have people from the same areas and similar upbringings then yes you can extrapolate results from a statistical analysis.
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I'm sure we should cast doubt on these students and soldiers because 8% of the prison population in Arizona is made up of people with a similar age and ethnicity.
 
mqt said:
I'm sure we should cast doubt on these students and soldiers because 8% of the prison population in Arizona is made up of people with a similar age and ethnicity.
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Yes 8% of a small population which means that a far greater percentage of DACA-age illegals are committing crimes. But save me this story that some of these people are good people. Thats fantastic. Let them stay - I'm all for letting ANYONE become an American as long as they contribute more than they take from the system and don't commit crimes so save your red herring for another time please.
 
thethe said:
Can you provide some more clarity on your contention? Where specifically in the 20th century did this happen?
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Chomsky has a good essay (“Counting the Bodies”) that looks into this question, with a particular focus on India’s and China’s facility in dealing with generational. But I’d say the history and death toll associated with the oil industry’s regime in Nigeria is a very instructive window into the way in which small capitalist oligarchies, constituted by the conditions of global capitalism, kill scores of their own peoples in the name of profit.
 
thethe said:
Yes 8% of a small population which means that a far greater percentage of DACA-age illegals are committing crimes. But save me this story that some of these people are good people. Thats fantastic. Let them stay - I'm all for letting ANYONE become an American as long as they contribute more than they take from the system and don't commit crimes so save your red herring for another time please.
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Dude: “DACA-age illegals” is definitionally distinct from “DACA recipients”. What part of that are you not getting?
 
thethe said:
Yes 8% of a small population which means that a far greater percentage of DACA-age illegals are committing crimes. But save me this story that some of these people are good people. Thats fantastic. Let them stay - I'm all for letting ANYONE become an American as long as they contribute more than they take from the system and don't commit crimes so save your red herring for another time please.
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But that's the entire point! The DREAM Act was designed to protect young people either pursuing an education or serving the country. They pay fees to the US Government and are not eligible for the program if they have committed a crime.
 
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