Russia Collusion Scandal (aka A Leftist fantasy)
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57Brave
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And none of those charges have a thing to do with collusion which is the hoax that Trump references. Just try for once to have an original thought pertaining to trump.
Runnin
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Did you read the memo? I think not.
"The DOJ informed the Court accurately that Steele was hired by politically-motivated U.S. persons and entities and that his research appeared intended for use to discredit the Trump campaign."
The Steele Dossier played very little role in the initial FBI investigation as it did not come to the investigating team until 7 weeks after they had begun and by then they had already amassed more credible information of the situation.
The 2 memos, thankfully, are going to be only insignificant footnotes in the final drama account, now that Mueller has moved on and presented so much evidence. The only person who should be worried about them at this point is Nunes.
Runnin
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Says a guy who probably wears a red tie everyday.
bravesnumberone
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The dossier was not "key" to getting a warrant and was not the basis of the investigation. That flies in the face of both what the Republican memo said and what the right-wing mouthpieces, who appeared privy to what it was going to say before it was released, told us. If I had a nickel for every time I heard the phrase "phony dossier..." It also says in here Steele's findings (at least the ones relevant to this) had been corroborated. And (shocker) the backup information to support that statement is redacted.
The Nunes memo claims the FBI abused their power. How? In what way? Still waiting to hear. Nunes said yesterday the Democrats are/were colluding with "parts of the government" to cover up alleged abuses. I'm at a loss as to how he pulled that one out of his ass.
bravesnumberone
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nsacpi
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too bad the back channel with Kislyak didn't work out...imagine all the great deals Trump and Kushner could have done for America
bravesnumberone
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That's not what he "basically stated" according to the Democrats. I'm inclined to believe their explanation over Devin Trump's. But we won't know 100 percent until McCabe's testimony is released. So maybe the committee should release it since that's so key to back up the majority's claims.
nsacpi
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5 strikes me as the most interesting piece of new information
nsacpi
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Nunes is the Inspector Clouseau of our time
bravesnumberone
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Just a reminder this is still out there, too.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/02/washington-braces-fbi-bombshell-nunes-inspector-general
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/02/washington-braces-fbi-bombshell-nunes-inspector-general
nsacpi
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He's had an interesting career. Skillful political operative. Long-time criminal whose luck appears to have run out. Participant in a scheme with a hostile power to undermine our democratic processes. That's our boy. Pavel Manafartov.
57Brave
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John Aravosis
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17h17 hours ago
I’m still blown away that we’ve had no real congressional investigation
of the fact that the President of the United States hired a suspected Russian agent
as one of his top foreign policy advisers, and even named him during
an interview as one of his top guys.
Verified account @aravosis
17h17 hours ago
I’m still blown away that we’ve had no real congressional investigation
of the fact that the President of the United States hired a suspected Russian agent
as one of his top foreign policy advisers, and even named him during
an interview as one of his top guys.
The FBI specifically tailored their wording. There was intent in that approach. The easier approach would have been to include the DNC and HRC campaigns and they chose not to do it. It is also a matter in how it is presented. In a FN embedded within the FISA application based on all accounts. It is not up to the court to determine each source in the application. The FBI should be relied upon to present a full account of the case and wording the source of fudning for the Dossier in this approach shows a sense of dishonestly and intent to mislead.
They knew that Steele brought back good information in the past. This does not preclude him from bringing bad information, you know the kind that has yet to be corroborated, to the FBI for future cases. The court was also not given any visibility into who the sources for STeele were for this reporting. Would it have mattered if it was 'RUSSIAN' sources? I mean, we are never supposed to trust Russians right? I suppose we can trust your Russians though. But wait, aren't all Russians essentially working for Putin? I'm very confused right now on which Russians I can speak with.
I read every word of the memo sir. As noted above the FBI intentionally worded it in a more convoluted way as opposed to the facts. The Steele Dossier played NO role in opening the investigation. THE REPUBLICAN MEMO ASSERTED THE SAME THING! However, the FISA application for Page was not even made until the Dossier was included. Why is that?
bravesnumberone
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Yea it played no role in the opening. Since you like to focus on placement, check the placement in the Nunes memo of that admission. And when you're done with that, try to reconcile that admission with the dozens and dozens and dozens of claims that the dossier was the basis of the investigation.
See my reply. It would have been easier to say the DNC/HRC campaign. FBI made a conscious choice to present the groups that funded the research. I wonder why....
Please enlighten me. The yahoo article was presented in the FISA application from everything we know. We also do not believe that it has any significance in the application a point that I agree with. My question is why is it even included and how to do we know how it was presented to the court?
And yet the application was not made until the Dossier was present. I mean - If the evidence against Page was so damning (still no charges against him) why did they have to wait till the Dossier to get an application submitted (see later discussion on McCabe). At the time of the initial application very little to none of the Dossier was proven. Its inclusion is a propaganda tool to sway the judges after allegedly getting refused on earlier attempt to monitor Page. FISA Application Denied
Well lets see how this plays out when the applications are released to the public which will happen. And again, this point ties into the McCabe statements (see below).
So do you have an explanation for this? He was obviously so worrisome to the FBI to start a massive investigation and yet no charges? How bad was the initial assessment? And was the follow up when he was attached to the Trump campaigned a convenient conduit to spy on an opposing candidate? Hmm...
When the Republican memo was released the Democrats were in lock step that this was not McCabes statement in his testimony. It was one of the single most if not biggest takeaway from the Republican memo. You have a senior FBI official claiming that the FISA application would not have been approved without the Dossier. The Dems would be right to scream to the hilltops if this was not true and that is what they did in response to the Republican memo release. However, now that the Democrats had their own memo released it doesn't get mentioned? How easily it would have been to include this especially since McCabes testimony was REFERENCED IN THE MEMO on another matter. You don't think that is damning? If they had the evidence to show this statement was false why not present it? Let me help you understand - Its because McCabe did in fact make this statement and it is a truth that the application would not have been approved without the Dossier. That is why the original application was allegedly denied and why they had to wait till the Dossier was provided (against Simpsons recommendation mind you) before it was approved.
Claims of pundits are irrelevant. In the formal communication to the American people by the Republicans on the House Intel committee they gave the facts that the investigation was opened up based on Papa. So they Dem memo including that doesn't actually refute anything in the GOP memo. Its more an emphasis point to draw Americans away from the fact that no FISA warrants would have been granted without the Dossier.