GDT: Cubs @ Braves 5/15

Southcack77 said:
Seems like folks agitate against the way closers are used and then the first time they blow up want to put the next guy they perceive as the best pitcher right back in the same role.

I can live with Viz closing so long as he is mostly effective. Winkler may be more valuable matching up when he's needed and putting out fires than he would be starting clean innings with leads.
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the other thing is with his injury history I think we need to be conservative about the load Winkler is given...id be ok with him being a part time closer
 
Even my wife who has a basic understanding of safe and out saw it as safe. Just absurd that 'professionals' didn't see this.
 
thewupk said:
Even my wife who has a basic understanding of safe and out saw it as safe. Just absurd that 'professionals' didn't see this.
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the ump at home made the wrong call. it happens.
new york stayed with the call in order to not show up their ump.
there's no other explanation
 
Some people are saying he was tagged on the helmet before the shoulder and that's what made him out. They say his helmet seemed to flap down when Montgomery's glove went by it and that proves he tagged his helmet. I thought the helmet went down because he did the belly flopped slide.
 
Why are people complaining about Viz? I mean he's not Kimbrel, but he's hardly a bum.

If you have a chance to add Kimbrel for pretty cheap, you do it. but I don't think Boston will be sellers and I don't think he'd be cheap. I'd much rather just ride Viz.
 
zitothebrave said:
Why are people complaining about Viz? I mean he's not Kimbrel, but he's hardly a bum.

If you have a chance to add Kimbrel for pretty cheap, you do it. but I don't think Boston will be sellers and I don't think he'd be cheap. I'd much rather just ride Viz.
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Viz is a good reliever but I don't like him in the closer/highest leverage inning role. He throws gas but is prone to losing his slider and I don't like having a one pitch pitcher in that role. I'd prefer Winkler close games or get the most important inning with Minter/Viz/Carle handling the set up innings.
 
Orphan Black said:
Some people are saying he was tagged on the helmet before the shoulder and that's what made him out. They say his helmet seemed to flap down when Montgomery's glove went by it and that proves he tagged his helmet. I thought the helmet went down because he did the belly flopped slide.
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That's exactly how it happened.
 
Orphan Black said:
Some people are saying he was tagged on the helmet before the shoulder and that's what made him out. They say his helmet seemed to flap down when Montgomery's glove went by it and that proves he tagged his helmet. I thought the helmet went down because he did the belly flopped slide.
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I kept focusing on the pitcher's glove to see if it deformed on the tag. I couldn't really tell, but a helmet tag is the only thing that makes the out call even remotely
plausible.
 
Enscheff said:
I kept focusing on the pitcher's glove to see if it deformed on the tag. I couldn't really tell, but a helmet tag is the only thing that makes the out call even remotely
plausible.
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But then you have the issue of there not being overwhelming evidence. Any way you look at it, it was a terrible call.

I’d like to hear an explanation by the league office.
 
CyYoung31 said:
But then you have the issue of there not being overwhelming evidence. Any way you look at it, it was a terrible call.

I’d like to hear an explanation by the league office.
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Overwhelming evidence is required to overturn a call, not uphold it.

If we can't tell for sure he didn't tag the helmet, there is no overwhelming evidence that he didn't. There is no angle that shows the glove clearly missing the helmet with air between them. Therefore, play stands.
 
Five said:
Been around since Shanks’ board, but thanks!

Anyone else asks, sure I’d give an explanation. You? Waste of time.
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LOL, well I'll be on the edge of my seat hoping someone asks and I can read your thoughts that are sure to be well thought out pearls of wisdom! A baseball genius hiding in the weeds!!
 
Enscheff said:
Overwhelming evidence is required to overturn a call, not uphold it.

If we can't tell for sure he didn't tag the helmet, there is no overwhelming evidence that he didn't. There is no angle that shows the glove clearly missing the helmet with air between them. Therefore, play stands.
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Right. I didn’t watch the game and forgot the initial call was out.

Still, the whole “overwhelming” evidence thing hasn’t been very consistent towards the Braves so far this year.
 
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