Southcack77
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Down and away. Not a tremendous amount of difference in velocity to results in those areas.
Being able to hit those spots consistently and surviving on that diet is a serious skill though. Not a big margin of error.
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Down and away. Not a tremendous amount of difference in velocity to results in those areas.
Being able to hit those spots consistently and surviving on that diet is a serious skill though. Not a big margin of error.
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Depends. Can you throw an eephus?
Being LH helps quite a bit. There's been more than a few soft tossing lefties have long, successful careers. If he can locate well and not walk batters, he'll be a solid pitcher.
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sure. it just limits his ceiling dramatically.
This is the exact type of straw man argument that does nothing but make someone look foolish.
Nobody is saying Allard doesn't deserve a shot. Literally not a single person. Not one. Zero.
Folks are saying it is reasonable to project a guy throwing 89-91 at a young age to end up being a back of the rotation SP. Many back end SPs post incredible numbers in AAA because their stuff is good enough to beat those hitters when paired with good command, and then get shelled at the MLB level.
We will see what Allard's stuff really is when we get MLB statcast data on him. Until then, all we can do is go by the opinions of the guys writing in the public sphere. None of them appear to be very high on Allard.
LOL, seriously, bringing up Greinke and his 80 grade control?
It never changes around here haha.
Maddux and Greinke could do it. Allard should be able to
msstate7
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Greinke's last year full year in milb was 2006...
105.2 ip 27 bb 2.3 bb9
Allard this season...
104.1 ip 31 bb 2.7 bb9
Allard has good control too.
Again though, douch... I mean escheff, I even said in the post you quoted, I'm not saying allard is greinke.
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
Allard’s 2.7 BB to 8.2 K does intrigue me.
where did you get 8.2 k/9? he's at 6.99 this year.
control is a lot different in the minors than it is in the majors. ask mike soroka.
msstate7
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Career
Sometimes the control a rookie starter shows gets better. Hell, newcomb has the best bb9 he's had since rookie ball this season
dropping every year.
msstate7
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Control improving
not as much as the Ks are dropping
bravesfanMatt
Steve Harvey'd
Prefer to use career. If you want to parcel then he has 8 per 9 since June 1st.
Still can’t buy a beer legally and still dominating the league.
But his floor seems pretty high too, which should still hold a good bit of value. Hopefully he can at least be another Wandy Rodriguez/JA Happ type with the small possibility of bucking the odds and becoming another Zito.
Russ2dollas
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People also need to re-set the idea of a back end starter. That is valuable.
If Allard is a really good 5 while under team control that will be very useful. I don't see why he cannot be a 4/5. I know that isn't what you want from a top pick but it will be way more valuable than most picks.
We all want to dream of a rotation of studs. That is very rare in baseball history.
The other option is see if he can do whatever Charlie Morton has done. Not everyone is on a linear projection. He's still young. Maybe he has some velocity to unlock.
Jeremy Moyer made a lot of money as a soft tossing lefty. I have no idea why Sanchez is so good for us. I like Allard. I'd also deal him for an impact bat.
Umm....
You might want to go take a look at Happ's AA/AAA K rates before declaring that as Allard's "at least" outcome.
I would be very interested to see some work done on how successful pitchers are at the MLB level after posting K rates around 7 in AA/AAA. I'm going to guess they didn't fair very well at all.
It was just a lazy comparison I made based on the fact they are both soft tossing lefties. I didn't put too much research into it.
GeorgiaGirl
NL Rookie of the Year
Of the guys that recently posted a below 7 K/9 at AAA, the only guy worth putting in a starting rotation is Daniel Mengden and even he's been absolutely drilled recently, which should tell a lot.
Guys that have a lower K rate in the majors but were guys that have learned the ropes are fine (but even they are suspect to days where everything just falls), but a guy in the minors that hasn't is likely not going to perform well in the majors.
I'd sell high on Allard after 2018.
Guys that have a lower K rate in the majors but were guys that have learned the ropes are fine (but even they are suspect to days where everything just falls), but a guy in the minors that hasn't is likely not going to perform well in the majors.
I'd sell high on Allard after 2018.