Legal/scotus thread
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sturg33
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Here's what we have.
Ford making a 35 year old allegation. Naming 4 witnesses who all went on record and 100% contradicted her story. To date, only Ford has been unwilling to give a testimony that would have criminal consequences. I would be stunned if Ford actually testifies.
Ramirez claims she was very drunk 35 years ago and maybe Brett Kavanaugh exposed his penis close to her face... Somebody who wasn't there heard that something may have happened from someone. But she isn't sure it was BK... And the witnesses named at the event have 100% contradicted her story. ( Reminder that these accusations were so weak that the Times and Post both refused to publish the story after the interview the witnesses)
BK has gone under oath to deny all claims.
Now youve got Super running around with his hair on fire like usual, but you'd think the more reasonable people could at least hold a shred of skepticism here.
sturg33
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"Smith, Keyser, and Judge have denied Ford's allegation in letters to the committee under the penalty of felony perjury. Kavanaugh denied the allegation in person under oath before the committee. Ford remains the only witness to not have provided a statement to the committee."
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
I thought the Ford allegations came out after he completed his testimony.
Kavanaugh testified Sept 4-7.
Feinstein sent the letter to the FBI on Sept 12.
sturg33
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Right, BK went in front of the committee under oath and denied the allegations after they came out.
Only Ford remains... Everyone else faces perjury charges for lying
sturg33
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Her notes didn't mention BK and we're inconsistent with her account today.
All named witness denied under penalty of perjury being there.
Now go back to screaming at the sky
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
dont think he has testified since the allegations came out
sturg33
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All 4 have issued statements to the committee denying the allegation... Only Ford has not.
www.cnn.com/2018/09/22/politics/Kavanaugh-ford-accuser-nomination/index.html
What are you gonna say when Ford doesn't show up on Thursday? Does it matter to you? Of course not, you decided he's guilty due to yearbooks and completely contradicted accusations.
Good on you
www.cnn.com/2018/09/22/politics/Kavanaugh-ford-accuser-nomination/index.html
What are you gonna say when Ford doesn't show up on Thursday? Does it matter to you? Of course not, you decided he's guilty due to yearbooks and completely contradicted accusations.
Good on you
nsacpi
Expects Yuge Games
Actually, it would matter to me if she didn't follow up. I have a view as to which party is the more likely one to be lying in this situation. But it isn't an open and shut case.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
I was responding to the "virgin" claim in the Fox interview. I haven't seen that linked to Avenatti's accusations in any news report. That doesn't mean you aren't right.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Wait, though. I’m not sure you should insist that Ford’s account is meaningless til she’s under oath, then tout the unsworn denials of the other folks.
sturg33
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All of Ford's denials were written under penalty of perjury.
At the moment. They are more credible than Ford.
Let's see if Ford shows up. I suspect she won't.
Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
You’ve put a lot of eggs in that basket.
Two other people were allegedlyin the room. One is the guy with everything to lose, the other is a hyperpartisan activist who has written memoirs about being a blackout drunk. I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I’m certainly saying that it’s not unreasonable to weigh the respective accounts differently.
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Julio3000
<B>A Chip Off the Old Rock</B>
Yeah, this is it, in a nutshell. To me, Kavanaugh’s credibility is undermined to the point that it’s not at all a stretch to think he’s lying.
He’s been less than forthright—or, if you prefer, outright lied—about several things in his testimony. And he’s sticking with a virgin choirboy defense that doesn’t even pass the sniff test. Neither of which means that he’s lying about these allegations, but let’s not pretend he’s a beacon of probity.
sturg33
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Yet his denials have far more corraboration than the accusations
sturg33
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Bc I don't think the Ramirez story is assult.
Inappropriate behavior? Yes. But if we disqualify everyone for inappropriate behavior in college, we'd get Obama-unemploymebt levels again...