Kluber Paxton Greinke and Others

[nsacpi]

Wir mussen die nsacpi ausrotten!!

Vater, vergib ihnen, dass sie nicht wissen, was sie tun

 

[BeanieAntics]

Vater, vergib ihnen, dass sie nicht wissen, was sie tun

Vergib mir, denn ich weiß nicht, was ich tue

 

[Heyward]

Pass on Greinke and Paxton.

Yes on Carrasco or Kluber. Both on good contracts, have good K/BB numbers, and are fairly durable.

Not sure what it would cost, but if the Braves went after a SP, those would be who i go after.

 

[nsacpi]

Pass on Greinke and Paxton.

Yes on Carrasco or Kluber. Both on good contracts, have good K/BB numbers, and are fairly durable.

Not sure what it would cost, but if the Braves went after a SP, those would be who i go after.

don't forget Bauer...solid germanic name

 

[Heyward]

Kluber would be a luxury imo. Right now we have a full rotation until some are traded. Fried and Touki deserve their shot to see what they have. If we can get a legit COF and fix catcher then we can work on the rotation but it’s not a priority imo.

We need another top end starter. Folty is good but you need more than 1 good SP.

Dodgers, Cubs have elite rotations, and the Nats will have Stras/Scherzer, and will probably sign one this winter. It's a need.

 

[Heyward]

don't forget Bauer...solid germanic name

Doubt he's available, why i didnt list him.

 

[Hudson2]

We need another top end starter. Folty is good but you need more than 1 good SP.

Dodgers, Cubs have elite rotations, and the Nats will have Stras/Scherzer, and will probably sign one this winter. It's a need.

I didn’t say I don’t want them to bc I’d love to have Kluber, but we need to upgrade C and COF first and then see what we have left over.

 

[Heyward]

I didn’t say I don’t want them to bc I’d love to have Kluber, but we need to upgrade C and COF first and then see what we have left over.

We agree here, starting C/corner OF'er biggest needs then go from there.

 

[Enscheff]

We need another top end starter. Folty is good but you need more than 1 good SP.

Dodgers, Cubs have elite rotations, and the Nats will have Stras/Scherzer, and will probably sign one this winter. It's a need.

I think you may want to review which teams have the elite rotations, and whether those teams went farther than the Braves.

This “must have top end starter” narrative simply isn’t backed up by facts.

 

[NinersSBChamps]

I think you may want to review which teams have the elite rotations, and whether those teams went farther than the Braves.

This “must have top end starter” narrative simply isn’t backed up by facts.

Sale is a bonafide ace and his team did okay. Kershaw is still a top end starter between April and parts of October. LA did slightly worse than Boston. Houston and Justin Verlander is a top end pitcher and they did decent last season and performed well this time around.

Washington is a dumpster fire. Chicago ran into a very hot Milwaukee team who coincidentally do not have have a top end starter. Cleveland has a top of the line starter or two. The Yankees relied on offense this season and probably could use an upgrade in the rotation.

Of the playoff teams the Braves, Rockies, Yankees, Brewers, and Athletics don’t have that guy in the rotation. Red Sox, Dodgers, Astros, Indians, and Cubs have a legit number 1 on their staff. So half the teams had a great pitcher and half didn’t.

 

[Southcack77]

I think you may want to review which teams have the elite rotations, and whether those teams went farther than the Braves.

This “must have top end starter” narrative simply isn’t backed up by facts.

Let’s start with the red sox and dodgers.

 

[Carp]

I think you may want to review which teams have the elite rotations, and whether those teams went farther than the Braves.

This “must have top end starter” narrative simply isn’t backed up by facts.

To be fair, the teams with elite rotations were almost entirely in the AL this season, aside from the Dodgers. AL was stacked this year. I guess may be you could consider the Mets, but the rest of the Mets team was turrible.

 

[Heyward]

I think you may want to review which teams have the elite rotations, and whether those teams went farther than the Braves.

This “must have top end starter” narrative simply isn’t backed up by facts.

Dodgers had an elite rotation: Ryu, Kershaw, Hill, Buehler.

Astros had Verlander, Cole, Keuchel, Morton. Indians had Kluber, Carrasco, Clevinger, Bauer. Sox had Sale, Price, Porcello, Eovaldi. Yankees had Sevy, Happ, Tanaka, CC.

Brewers, Braves, A's, Rockies all had ? rotations, Cubs had a great rotation but were gassed. So as Niners said, half the field had good rotations, half did not. Or 6 to 4. Having a good rotation certainly matters.

 

[Enscheff]

Let’s start with the red sox and dodgers.

Cool, then look at the Mets and Brewers. I’ll wait.

 

[Enscheff]

Dodgers had an elite rotation: Ryu, Kershaw, Hill, Buehler.

Astros had Verlander, Cole, Keuchel, Morton. Indians had Kluber, Carrasco, Clevinger, Bauer. Sox had Sale, Price, Porcello, Eovaldi. Yankees had Sevy, Happ, Tanaka, CC.

Brewers, Braves, A's, Rockies all had ? rotations, Cubs had a great rotation but were gassed. So as Niners said, half the field had good rotations, half did not. Or 6 to 4. Having a good rotation certainly matters.

What about the Mets? Did that elite rotation get them anywhere? Cubs rotation was mediocre all year. The Brewers went far with a crap rotation and excellent pitcher deployment strategy.

Seems to me a team needs good players, and those good players don’t have to be elite starting pitchers.

Again, the “we need a frontline starter” simply isn’t supported by facts. It’s just a tired old cliche from the 90s.

 

[thewupk]

Dodgers had an elite rotation: Ryu, Kershaw, Hill, Buehler.

Astros had Verlander, Cole, Keuchel, Morton. Indians had Kluber, Carrasco, Clevinger, Bauer. Sox had Sale, Price, Porcello, Eovaldi. Yankees had Sevy, Happ, Tanaka, CC.

Brewers, Braves, A's, Rockies all had ? rotations, Cubs had a great rotation but were gassed. So as Niners said, half the field had good rotations, half did not. Or 6 to 4. Having a good rotation certainly matters.

Only 2 of the top 7 rotations (Dodgers and Rockies) in the NL in fWAR made the playoffs in 2018.

It takes having a good a team to make the playoffs and that can be had in multiple ways. Having a great rotation is certainly part of that but by no means a requirement.

That said pitching for the Braves needs to improve in 2019 whether that's done internally or externally. I expect a combo of both.

 

[Carp]

Cool, then look at the Mets and Brewers. I’ll wait.

I would hardly call the Brewers an elite rotation.

 

[Chico]

Mariners fan site had them reluctantly accepting Wright/Riley/Weigel for Paxton. I think that’s what some fans are scared of when discussing acquiring a pitcher. Obviously that would never happen.

 

[bravesfanMatt]

I would hardly call the Brewers an elite rotation.

That is what he was saying.

 

[bravesfanMatt]

Braves strategy of TOR pitchers worked well in the 90’s. We had three and mustered only one title. The depth of our arms is greater than any other team. We can deploy guys like no other team. Utilize platoon splits. All while developing young pitchers who might actually be really good. No need to trade three pitchers for another teams castoff. Even if he projects to be good.

Just use the guys we have. 12 man staff with AAA options really making it 14 to 15 man staff.