Around Baseball - 2013 Postseason GDT Edition
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bravesnumberone
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Eat a bag of dicks, Dodgers! I'll wait to the WS to root against the Cardinals.
bravesnumberone
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God, will Keith Olbermann just shut up? He isn't remotely funny.
CrimsonCowboy
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So Mattingly takes out his best run producer in the 8th inning for a pinch runner who doesn't even get to second base. Michael Young, who hit in Gonzalez's spot in the order afterwards, gets two at bat and hits into two double plays.
Good job, Donny.
Good job, Donny.
JusticeForAll23
Got the Call to Lynchburg
Is there some sort of advanced stat or something that shows why it's stupid to pinch-run for your best or second best hitter? I feel like it's as bad or even worse than sac-bunting with a runner on 1st and 0 outs in a tie game in extra innings....oh, and the Dodgers did that too. Fredi still takes the cake for worst/most incompetent manager of playoff caliber teams in baseball now that Dusty Baker got fired, but sometimes I feel that Mattingly really gives him a run for his money.
Old adage in baseball, you go for the tie at home, win on the road.
Runnin
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The self-flagellation never ends. It's depressing that so many on here think they know more about how to manage than guys that have been in the game their whole lives.
chopdrew
Lynchburg Prospect
That's such a logical fallacy. If you learn how to install transmissions the wrong way and do it your whole life, that doesn't make you good at installing transmissions. It just means you've been doing a **** job for a long time...
bravesnumberone
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What is the point in even following and/or participating in sports if you can't learn things as you go along? Just because someone played baseball for a long time doesn't mean they know how to manage certain situations. I usually only point out the obvious dumb ones.
Um, I'm pretty certain that if Don Mattigly had called me up last night and said "hey holden, do you think I should pinch-run for Adrian Gonzalez with Dee Gordon here?", and I had said "well, skip, to me that seems pretty idiotic", and then we said goodbye and hung up the phone, and he took my advice, the Dodgers would have had a better chance of winning the game.
Feel free to disagree with me, but you won't have a sound argument.
Mattingly said after the game that he did it in case there was a ball hit in the gap that Gordon could have scored on but not Gonzalez, which is the worst reasoning ever.
(Joe Posnanski agrees with me, btw, and explains in pretty logical terms why that was one of the dumbest moves in a postseason full of dumb moves: http://t.co/2QJZLHinEm)
bravesnumberone
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Would anyone here be OK with running Schafer for Freeman? Because Gonzalez was basically their Freeman this year.
Runnin
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If Mattingly had not pinch run for him and Puig hit a gapper, leaving Gonzalez stranded at 3rd, just as many people would've been moaning how stupid it was to not pinch run for the slowest guy in the lineup with the game on the line.
It's not that managers don't make mistakes but over-the-top criticism is just lame. Anybody in their position would be just as vulnerable to over or under-managing a given situation. You are a fool if you think you know what you would've done if you were in the dugout.
It's not that managers don't make mistakes but over-the-top criticism is just lame. Anybody in their position would be just as vulnerable to over or under-managing a given situation. You are a fool if you think you know what you would've done if you were in the dugout.
bravesnumberone
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I would not have taken Gonzalez out of the game, and I feel 100 percent confident in that. It was dumb.
Heyward
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That would be like Fredi pulling Freeman in a tie game in the playoffs.
I don't want to imagine the reaction if he did that.
If AGon is in, Hanley gets pitches to hit, or AGon does with one out.
It's an awful, awful move.
Arguably the worst move in baseball this year, there is no way to defend that.
Mattingly was awful last night. Even if Puig hits a gapper you have second and third with no outs and Juan Uribe up. That was an awful move and contributed to Hanley being taken out of the game. Thus, effectively Mattingly deemed Hanley and Agon useless in extras, his two best hitters.
Bunting was beyond stupid. Yeah, take bat out of Hanley for one of the worst offenders at hitting double plays. Even with Agon In The lineup, the bunt is dumb, but at least there is a decision on whether to walk Hanley or not.
Not using Jansen until there were runners on was the lulz.
You guys are focusing on taking Agon out, which was bad. I have questions on whether it was even I. The top 3 of worst things Mattingly did. As bad as Fredi is, I certainly rank him above Donnie fail