Dayton Up Ynoa Down

Dayton’s numbers have been very good.

He had some buzz about him over the offseason, so I’m intrigued
 
It's only one game, but from what Ynoa showed, there's really no mystery why the Braves put him on the 40-man. Both he or Webb would have likely been taken by a non-contender. In the case of Ynoa, he would have been stashed. He sands off the rough edges and we may have something. From watching on Gameday, it appeared he was in the upper-90s with the heat.

Nice to see Dayton get a shot. Good LOOGY numbers.
 
50PoundHead said:
It's only one game, but from what Ynoa showed, there's really no mystery why the Braves put him on the 40-man. Both he or Webb would have likely been taken by a non-contender. In the case of Ynoa, he would have been stashed. He sands off the rough edges and we may have something. From watching on Gameday, it appeared he was in the upper-90s with the heat.

Nice to see Dayton get a shot. Good LOOGY numbers.
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I started paying more attention when he came in. I think the term is easy gas. The slider looked good too.

Give Hartcoppy credit for flipping Jaime Garcia for him.
 
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Ynoa looked good, not great yesterday. high 90's fastball, but had trouble locating his pitches. I think alot of that had to do with first-time jitters, as he was missing low. I think if he can lock down his pitches a bit more, he could be a weapon. But this is kind of the same answer for most of these young hard-throwing relievers - their biggest issue is throwing strikes.
 
Nerfherders said:
Ynoa looked good, not great yesterday. high 90's fastball, but had trouble locating his pitches. I think alot of that had to do with first-time jitters, as he was missing low. I think if he can lock down his pitches a bit more, he could be a weapon. But this is kind of the same answer for most of these young hard-throwing relievers - their biggest issue is throwing strikes.
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Yep. Sobotka's stuff is just as nasty but he couldn't control it worth a damn.
 
Worth noting that Ynoa has thrown a lot of multiple inning relief appearances in the minors this year, which have required a day off or two in between. I’m actually not sure if he’s pitched in games on back-to-back days once.

Might be time for that to change in Gwinnett.
 
Tapate50 said:
Dayton’s numbers have been very good.

He had some buzz about him over the offseason, so I’m intrigued
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He also pitched great when he was called up the first time. I was a little miffed why he got sent back down. I’m sure it was because he had the options but I’d rather have him in there than Blevins
 
zbhargrove said:
He also pitched great when he was called up the first time. I was a little miffed why he got sent back down. I’m sure it was because he had the options but I’d rather have him in there than Blevins
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Kinda imagine some of the young arms will be the Blevins replacements at some point in the second half when AA starts to need longer-term 40-Man Roster spots.
 
clvclv said:
Kinda imagine some of the young arms will be the Blevins replacements at some point in the second half when AA starts to need longer-term 40-Man Roster spots.
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He threw two to the backstop as well

I’d trade him while ppl still can drool on the fastball and project
 
Russ2dollas said:
He threw two to the backstop as well

I’d trade him while ppl still can drool on the fastball and project
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Certainly no need to trade him after 2 IP - especially since he's already on the 40-Man. Would seem a bit crazy given the upside and the fact he can be on the Gwinnett/Atlanta shuttle for 2 more years while he costs you absolutely nothing.
 
Being on the 40 man is a problem, not an asset.

We need to move some guys on the 40 man who are not impact guys for upgrades to the pitching staff.

I don’t see ynoa ad one of those guys.

Who was the last guy we had that threw 100 with control issues but somehow looked good for a month?
 
Russ2dollas said:
Being on the 40 man is a problem, not an asset.

We need to move some guys on the 40 man who are not impact guys for upgrades to the pitching staff.

I don’t see ynoa ad one of those guys.

Who was the last guy we had that threw 100 with control issues but somehow looked good for a month?
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"Throwing 100 with control issues and looking good for a month" can't hurt a team in a pennant race.

He'll be cut loose or traded before his roster spot becomes a concern. With Keuchel joining the rotation, that makes one of Newk or Fried RPs for the rest of the year. A Smith acquisition would give you a third GOOD lefty and he'd take Blevins' roster spot.

No reason to get rid of Ynoa's upside when you can simply DFA Blevins - for now - put him on the shuttle for the time being, and use the two hottest guys out of the Webb/Touki/Sobotka/Ynoa group out of the big club's pen until two of them do enough to lock down spots.
 
We may be seeing a Dayton v. Blevins audition to see which one goes at some point. I don't totally understand the Blevins hate. He's still a viable LOOGY. Most of his bad stats come from throwing batting practice in a couple of blow-out losses. Of the five baserunners he's inherited, only one has scored. Not a stat a lot of people other than me look at anymore, but it shows he's doing something right. If Dayton out-pitches him, fine. Blevins has carved out a decent career as a specialist and while he may be done when the 3-hitter rule comes into play, he's handy to have around in its absence.

As for Ynoa, I'd be careful. If we get a good multi-year control relief pitcher for him (likely along with others), fine and dandy. But he's 21 and I have read that one of the issues he has is that he has too many pitches and hasn't worked to hone any of them other than his fastball. Sometimes young pitchers need to zone in on their best pitches and bring them up to their highest potential instead of dinking around with pitches that may not ever translate to being above average. Ynoa has a plus-plus fastball and that's not a bad place to start working from. That said, he's a work in progress and if someone wants to pay an exorbitant price for his potential, we probably move him.
 
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50PoundHead said:
We may be seeing a Dayton v. Blevins audition to see which one goes at some point. I don't totally understand the Blevins hate. He's still a viable LOOGY. Most of his bad stats come from throwing batting practice in a couple of blow-out losses. Of the five baserunners he's inherited, only one has scored. Not a stat a lot of people other than me look at anymore, but it shows he's doing something right. If Dayton out-pitches him, fine. Blevins has carved out a decent career as a specialist and while he may be done when the 3-hitter rule comes into play, he's handy to have around in its absence.

As for Ynoa, I'd be careful. If we get a good multi-year control relief pitcher for him (likely along with others), fine and dandy. But he's 21 and I have read that one of the issues he has is that he has too many pitches and hasn't worked to hone any of them other than his fastball. Sometimes young pitchers need to zone in on their best pitches and bring them up to their highest potential instead of dinking around with pitches that may not ever translate to being above average. Ynoa has a plus-plus fastball and that's not a bad place to start working from. That said, he's a work in progress and if someone wants to pay an exorbitant price for his potential, we probably move him.
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I would rate Ynoa above Allard, Wentz and Davidson. I think some combination of those 3 should be sufficient to land one of the better bullpen arms available this trade deadline. I would hold on to guys like Ynoa, Weigel and Vodnik, who I think have more upside. And of course Wright, Wilson, Anderson and Muller are all Top 100 prospects at this point and should also be pretty much off limits. There is no need to trade anyone really good to pick up a rental like Smith. Or even guys like Greene and Giles who have another year of control left.
 
AerchAngel said:
Why, he could be even better with better tutelage. Vizcaino type.
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well, he "could" be, yeah. but he probably isn't right now, and he may have more value to a non-competing team and could help you land an established, good RP. i think he's by no means untouchable.
tho i also thought he wasn't worth protecting, and that was apparently wrong.
 
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