SJ24
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Our farm is not nearly as strong because we went after pitching during the rebuild like dumbasses.
The 3 New BP Arms
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Our farm is not nearly as strong because we went after pitching during the rebuild like dumbasses.
IslandBrave
Mashin' to Mississippi
4 of the top 5 prospects from the past 3-4 years are position players.
Ozzie and Ronnie were not from MLB draft. And they were signed before the rebuild.
With the amount of picks and time we spent on pitching we should be getting a better return but we're not.
Not to mention we have been out of the international game since the scandal and will be for a while longer.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
With the exception of Soroka, and he's not a high pick, our best hope at a homegrown ace from our top picks is Ian Anderson if he's not traded.
IslandBrave
Mashin' to Mississippi
There was no mention of only building thru the draft.
I disagree. Anderson looks like a monster. Muller can too. Wright still has time. These guys are really young.
Not sure how much time Wright needs. He should have been seasoned already pitching in college.
Anderson still we don't know about.
As Enscheff has pointed out, the spin rates on Wright and Anderson are not promising.
IslandBrave
Mashin' to Mississippi
Anderson, if he stays in AA will probably break the all time strikeout record. As the youngest guy in the league. You don’t do that with poor stuff.
zitothebrave
Connoisseur of Minors
THey also didn't come from the trades.
What made the rebuild dumb was the focus on all pitching and on pitchers who already had Tommy John. Like tearing a ligament was the chicken pox where if you had it you wouldn't get it again. Not that it was likely indicative of bigger issues.
Anyway, you can't tell some people aside from the Heyward trade the rebuild was a collective whiff, because they don't get it. They will cite the positive of getting the competitive balance pick for trading Justin Upton and ignore the reality of getting a pick if all we did was let him leave.
THere was 2 great trades made in the rebuild, Heyward for Miller then Miller for Ender and Swanson. Those trades were great. The Upton trade was OK, I'd wish we got Renfroe and Hedges instead of the Petersons. The Gattis trade is a little hard to grade, mainly because a player like Gattis's value is hard to gauge. He was a star for us for a year, but he was a defensive bum and likely to age out of catcher really fast. But he was cheap and under control, I'd like to think we could have gotten one stud for him instead of 3 middling prospects. Though Astros Middling prospects from that time frame were quite good. THe Kimbrel trade was hot garbage, trade our closer for salary cap space? And the SImmons trade was just bad. Newk was a top pitchign prospect, but you cannot sell me on the logic of trading a young, cost controlled, 3-4 WAR player for one top pitching prospect. It's moronic. Oh yeah and the right to watch Erick Aybar for a season, can't forget that. We should have gotten Heaney as well. He was hurt I know, but he should have been included and I still would have said no to that deal. It reeked of a JS/Cox trade like the Tex trade where you want a MLB player in return so it doesn't totally look like you're rebuilding. Then the ****tiest trade of the era, the Olivera trade and it's fallout.
So we traded a young and controllable Alex Wood, a top prospect in Peralta, and 2 warm bodied (aka held some value) relievers for the right to save money from Bronson Arroyo, for a 30 year old who never played in the majors with lots of issues, like his inability to play defense at his position. That trade lead to the Matt Kemp trade, which was basically a like for like Salary Dump. Thankfully the Dodgers were willing to take him back if we took on some more money, and we traded Peralta and Wood and got a lot of wasted money, some replacement level production from Kemp, and Charlie Culberson.
cajunrevenge
Well-known member
I think we should save this thread for a few years for those whose who think our pitching isnt going to develop.
CyYoung31
Shift Leader
Wait...we’re sitting here well on our way to clinching our 2nd straight division title, we have two young generational talents locked up, we just improved our team by a decent margin while still maintaining our top 3 farm system, and we’re arguing about whether the rebuild was a failure?
WTF is happening?
WTF is happening?
OcalaBrave
Spring Training Invitee
Pessimism rules the internet.
Didn’t you see we DFA’d Gohora today?? It’s all going to hell in a hand basket!!
zbhargrove
Well-known member
He pitched fine in his second start
CyYoung31
Shift Leader
CrimsonCowboy
Moderator
You read my mind.
Heyward
<B>Voted Worst Poster <br>'13, '14, '15 (Co-Winner
I guess we could have made out better on some of the trades, and draft picks.
But complaining about the rebuild when the farm is in good shape, the MLB team has lots of good players, and Acuna/Albies are signed for the next decade. I guess some people just need something to complain about.
Some teams rebuilds have gone worse, way worse.
the rebuild went well.
whining at this point is hilarious, and..sad.
the trades were fine. the drafts were good. the farm is still good because of those things.
50PoundHead
Hessmania Forever
Still in the majors (if you consider this year's Orioles' team to be a major league team). I find it odd that the Orioles didn't move Givens and/or Mancini.