Around Baseball Offseason Edition - Derek Jeter will retire at seasons end

nsacpi said:
Braves versus Yankees WAR projections courtesy of Steamer (with a few assumptions of my own to fill in some vacancies in the Yankees' squad):

C Gattis 4.1 McCann 4.0
1B Freeman 3.6 Teixeira 2.0
2B Uggla 1.3 Infante 2.2
SS Simmons 3.8 Jeter 1.5
3B Johnson 2.1 Uribe 2.8
RF Heyward 5.1 Beltran 1.8
CF BJ Upton 1.1 Ellsbury 3.8
LF Justin Upton 3.1 Gardner 1.8

P Sabathia 3.6 Medlen 2.2
P Kuroda 3.5 Minor 1.8
P Nova 3.2 Wood 1.7
P Garza 2.3 Teheran 1.4
P Phelps 2.2 Beachy 0.2
P Robertson 0.9 Kimbrel 1.4

Some interesting projections that I have a number of disagreements with. But the Yankees do end up about 3 games better than us if they also add Garza, Infante and Uribe.
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On what planet are 87 mph Sabathia and 47 year old Kuroda worth 3.6 and 3.5 and Medlen and Minor, 2.2 and 1.8?

WAR strikes again. I thought the wobbly defensive metrics were my big problem with it, but I guess it doesn't end there.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
On what planet are 87 mph Sabathia and 47 year old Kuroda worth 3.6 and 3.5 and Medlen and Minor, 2.2 and 1.8?

WAR strikes again. I thought the wobbly defensive metrics were my big problem with it, but I guess it doesn't end there.
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Yeah. Those projections raised my eyebrow too. This isn't about WAR so much as the Steamer projection system.
 
GovClintonTyree said:
On what planet are 87 mph Sabathia and 47 year old Kuroda worth 3.6 and 3.5 and Medlen and Minor, 2.2 and 1.8?

WAR strikes again. I thought the wobbly defensive metrics were my big problem with it, but I guess it doesn't end there.
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Minor put up a 3.4 last year. I would expect something similar or better in 14. I don't know why Steamer is so negative.

Kuroda has been pretty decent. He put up a 3.8 last year, so that projection is realistic.
 
These projection systems are a weighted average of the past three years for the most part. So they tend to like players who have had several years of high productivity, and they underrate young players who are establishing themselves at a high level. I'm a little puzzled though as to why they rate Minor and Medlen so low and yet have Gattis with a pretty high projected WAR. Maybe their system gives more weight to the most recent season for hitters and less for pitchers.
 
My problem with the Yankees isn't the fact that they spend a boatload of money and buy up all the free agents they want. My problem is that they act like they have some brilliant mystique, and don't like to bring up the real reason for their success.

They're like that kid back in high school that thought he was hot stuff for scoring a date with the prettiest girl in the class, even though everyone knows it's because he's the only one who has a car and everyone else is riding on bicycles.

I don't hate them, but I certainly don't respect them for their blunt instrument approach to building teams.
 
I'd go for Franklin for sure. Not sure what they are looking for honestly. Wouldn't trade any of our starting pitchers in the major leagues for him unless they gave us a significant piece in return.
 
wheresmykayak said:
My problem with the Yankees isn't the fact that they spend a boatload of money and buy up all the free agents they want. My problem is that they act like they have some brilliant mystique, and don't like to bring up the real reason for their success.

They're like that kid back in high school that thought he was hot stuff for scoring a date with the prettiest girl in the class, even though everyone knows it's because he's the only one who has a car and everyone else is riding on bicycles.

I don't hate them, but I certainly don't respect them for their blunt instrument approach to building teams.
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The New York Yankees. Purchasing excellence since 1919.
 
Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 2m

Sources: #Nationals making strong run at free-agent LH reliever O'Flaherty. #Dodgers, #Phillies also have shown interest.

I think we can scratch him off the list of Loogy's for the braves. Those 3 teams will give him 5+ mill a year.
 
Andy Martino ‏@MartinoNYDN 19m

At least one rival team has been already been told #Mets willing to move Daniel Murphy this week.

I would like Murphy to be our 2Bman but I know the Mets want send him within the division.
 
skidlee said:
Andy Martino ‏@MartinoNYDN 19m

At least one rival team has been already been told #Mets willing to move Daniel Murphy this week.

I would like Murphy to be our 2Bman but I know the Mets want send him within the division.
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I don't think the Mets would care about that so long as they got a good return. The question is whether Murphy is an upgrade over our internal options.
 
We have 1 internal option and thats LeStalla. Yes I think Murphy is better then LeStalla but I think LeStalla would out produce him in the second year or so
 
nsacpi said:
I don't think the Mets would care about that so long as they got a good return. The question is whether Murphy is an upgrade over our internal options.
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I'd love to get Murphy for the right price. But more for a future option at third than second. Murphy is a much better third baseman than second baseman. So he could replace Chris Johnson down the road (or now for that matter).
 
Tapate50 said:
Pissing off your highest bidder is not a good idea. I guess we need to applaud Jay Z for getting his client 60 million less than he asked for?

Who is hova?
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lol what is your basis for hating on HOV?

he's a business(,man) who just got his biggest fish a 10 yr deal for 24 mil per.

I'm sure his company knew Cano would not get 300MM.
 
skidlee said:
Ken Rosenthal ‏@Ken_Rosenthal 2m

Sources: #Nationals making strong run at free-agent LH reliever O'Flaherty. #Dodgers, #Phillies also have shown interest.
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If we lose him to the Nats it could very well cost us the division, esp. since they already added Fister. EOF is a great lefty and the Nats seriously lacked in that area last year. He'd be a huge bullpen upgrade for them so hopefully it doesn't happen.
 
Braves1976 said:
If we lose him to the Nats it could very well cost us the division, esp. since they already added Fister. EOF is a great lefty and the Nats seriously lacked in that area last year. He'd be a huge bullpen upgrade for them so hopefully it doesn't happen.
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Agreed, we need to bring him back.
 
Of all the money being thrown around like rappers at a strip club, including that of my most-hated-for-life club the Bankees, the best money being spent is the 3-$45m they gave to Beltran. One of the most underrated players of his generation.

As usual, I don't buy the WAR figures that show him giving back half his offensive value on defense. For a corner outfielder, that's simply not possible. There needs to be some sort of weighting for the defensive metric and it should be different at different positions.
 
skillet said:
Agreed, we need to bring him back.
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I agree. He's got a new ligament. We should offer him a handsome multi year deal. We can always deal him if it doesn't fit into our payroll, and send him to somewhere inconsequential. Washington is not inconsequential.
 
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